Linked by Rayiner Hashem on Tue 15th Nov 2005 17:44 UTC
Apple I recently bought one of the new dual core PowerMacs. Having used the machine for a couple of weeks, I thought I would share some of my observations and feelings about it. First, let me get my biases out in the open. I have, for about four years, very happily used Linux on my desktop. Doing so has made me very comfortable with the UNIX environment in general, and with GNOME specifically. During that time, I have used OS X machines on a regular basis, so I am quite comfortable in that environment as well. Since I switched to Linux, I have not used Windows for anything more than the occasional bit of software testing or lab work, and generally feel quite uncomfortable with it. Thus, this article is very much written from the perspective of someone who finds OS X and Linux pleasing on principle. I implore the reader to make his own value judgments based on my comments.
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japail
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2005-06-30

The WD2500JS is the special "SATA-II" JD. That is to say that the JS is a marginally improved revision of the JD with support for SATA-II . It is not WD's premium model in the 7200rpm front, but it's not a low-quality device. The WD800BD would be a "cheap" WD device. Performance wise it should be competitive with the Barracuda 7200.8. Since the JD was competitive noisewise with the 7200.8, I wouldn't expect much difference from the JS except perhaps a marginally insignificant improvement. However without any benchmarking I'm forced to cede that I don't know, because I don't own a JS to test myself. I do own a pair of WD4000KDs which while produce noise, aren't loud and are probably louder than the JS. Heck, the Raptor isn't quiet and it's still not loud-enough in my opinion to care.

I don't think "cheap" nor noisy are fitting for the drive you obtained. The drive isn't special in terms of speed, capacity, and probably not noise production. I agree firmly that it's nothing special, but it's probably not what you're characterizing it as either.

You should definitely stop using Froogle to guage the "cheapness" of hardware. For one, Froogle is a piece of crap. For another, it's not very useful for ascertaining any sort of technical information. Finally, don't do it. It's not even a good way to find a deal.

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Arun Member since:
2005-07-07

The WD2500JS is the special "SATA-II" JD.

Exactly, the WD2500JS is exactly the same as the JD version except it is a SATA-II interface.

Silent PC review recommends the WD2500JD in thier recommended hardrives list. http://www.silentpcreview.com/article29-page2.html

The seagate 7200.8 250GB didn't make the list. Since Rayiner held the opinions of SPCR in such high esteem and used it to defend his point. I would like to see him sinivel out of this one.

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rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm not trying to snivel out of anything. You're trying to tell me that my impression of two drives that I own (that you don't), in two machines that I own (that you don't) are wrong. You can repeat this all you want, but at the end of the day, my Seagate is still quieter than the WD.

As for the recommend list you pointed out --- it's not entirely up-to-date, and it's also the result of a limited sampling of drives. For example, the Maxtor DM10's don't make the list, even though they are widely reported to be very quiet and very fast (I didn't buy one because I've had 2 Maxtors die on me). On the forums, several people have had good experiences with the 7200.8, and several people had whiny 2500JDs.

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japail Member since:
2005-06-30

Being mistaken isn't a crime. While I don't necessarily expect that the JS is louder than the 7200.8 in any way that would personally bother me, I don't have any actual measurements and I don't know of anyone that does, which is why I mostly focused on addressing why I thought the arguments against his article in this thread were poorly constructed. I'm not going to take Seagate or WD's measurements at face-value, and I'm not going to take Rayiner's either but I'm not going to say that he's lying. If someone wants to conduct actual measurements of the disks that would be helpful. Also there's a slight problem with just measuring how loud the drives are, which is that different noises are more annoying than others. However, something is better than nothing.

My keyboard makes much more audible noise than any of my HDDs, and much more frequently at that. Actually that's one of the reasons fan noise and optical drives bother me; they produce constant (when in use), often high-frequency background noise. Or really bad GPU fans that sound like leaf blowers. Those are pretty annoying. HDD clicking on the other hand is not that annoying, and I would have to stick my head next to a case in order to hear much else. That hasn't always been the case; I've had some loud SCSI disks before.

Come to think of it, the optical drive is probably the most-irritating thing in my laptop. Now let the fighting over the optical drives begin.

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