Linked by Rayiner Hashem on Tue 15th Nov 2005 17:44 UTC
Apple I recently bought one of the new dual core PowerMacs. Having used the machine for a couple of weeks, I thought I would share some of my observations and feelings about it. First, let me get my biases out in the open. I have, for about four years, very happily used Linux on my desktop. Doing so has made me very comfortable with the UNIX environment in general, and with GNOME specifically. During that time, I have used OS X machines on a regular basis, so I am quite comfortable in that environment as well. Since I switched to Linux, I have not used Windows for anything more than the occasional bit of software testing or lab work, and generally feel quite uncomfortable with it. Thus, this article is very much written from the perspective of someone who finds OS X and Linux pleasing on principle. I implore the reader to make his own value judgments based on my comments.
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Arun
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2005-07-07

These aren't premium brands. These are "generic" brands in as much as any random OEM will use them. These memories are given limited testing, have poor warrantied timings, don't have heat spreaders, and have little headroom.

Bullshit. Samsung is name brand memory used by OEMS. Becuase it doesn't have heatspreaders and is overclocked doesn't make it generic.


Crucial for example is Micron memory with a different brand name to set it apart as "quality."

The DIMMS I got from curical have two sticker the original micron sticker that goes on the OEM parts and Crucial sticker on the side. They are the exact same memory.

Crucial is the consumer brand, they slap a heatsink and over clock the DIMMs and suddenly it becomes a name brand. Please!.


Keep in mind that there are only a few DDR/DDR2 manufacturers in world. In picking Hynix, Samsung, or Micron branded memory you're picking from the ass-end of the spectrum.

Unless you have been living under a rock, samsung has become one of the leading manufacturers in the world. In consumer electronics they have fast out progressed even sony.

Which doesn't necessarily mean that you'll have any problems with it, but it's also not premium hardware which is the myth typically propogated by overzealous Mac users.

Yeah right premium means a colored heatspreader. I have mushkin memory in my Athlon Xp box sorry to me that was an unheard of no name brand when I bought my PC.

The dimms gamers use aren't premium hardware they are designed to be overclocked hence the heatspreaders. No manufacurer, barring alienware would put that in a box. Micron and samsung are what most OEMS go to for DIMMS. They are name brand manufacturers.

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Arun Member since:
2005-07-07

Samsung is name brand memory used by OEMS. Becuase it doesn't have heatspreaders and is overclocked doesn't make it generic.

Should have been. Samsung is name brand memory used by OEMS. Becuase it doesn't have heatspreaders and isn't overclocked doesn't make it generic.

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japail Member since:
2005-06-30

Are you being intentionally retarded? I really have little patience for this asinine stance you have. Samsung is not a premium brand. It's not even a common brand, actually. They were a premium brand for RDRAM several years ago, but that's about it. It doesn't matter that Samsung is a "leading manufacturer," neither their brand nor that model of memory is a premium product. Since you base your entire argument around the brand of the product, rather than the model, I am left with no option but to point out that Samsung is not a brand associated with premium DIMMs, regardless of their manufacturing.

Premium memory is tested, selected, and warrantied for high-performance and aggressive timings. That stick of Samsung memory you linked to is of no higher quality than something out of a Dell machine. Please live in your dream world if you want, but save me the attitude that accompanies your ignorance.

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Arun Member since:
2005-07-07

Are you being intentionally retarded? I really have little patience for this asinine stance you have. Samsung is not a premium brand.

The only person with an Asinine stance is you. Define premium?

Since you base your entire argument around the brand of the product, rather than the model, I am left with no option but to point out that Samsung is not a brand associated with premium DIMMs, regardless of their manufacturing.

According to whom? you? What credentials do you have to specify which brand is premium. Major computer makers use Samsung DIMMS.

Premium memory is tested, selected, and warrantied for high-performance and aggressive timings. That stick of Samsung memory you linked to is of no higher quality than something out of a Dell machine. Please live in your dream world if you want, but save me the attitude that accompanies your ignorance.

Really Samsumg DIMMS are not tested. Apple goes through no QA! Only Corsiar and Mushkin do those things. Right.

The brands you claim to be premium are overclocked DIMMS with heatspreaders. The fact that they are tested with aggressive timing and thier heat dissipation is controlled for those agressive timings doesn't make them premium. It makes them overclocked for overclock frenzied gaming junkies.

Those DIMMS use the same Memory chips that go into the OEM DIMMS, you know the chips that need to respond more agressively. Samsung tests thier DIMMS no less than the others. Infact thier are the ones that put the tolerence is the chips to make it possible for Corsair to overcock them.

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japail Member since:
2005-06-30

It dawns on me that for some reason you confuse a premium brand with a brand name you recognize. For instance McDonald's is a premium brand dining experience, Micron is a premium brand RAM experience, and Sony is a premium brand consumer electronics experience. I suppose Creative Labs is a premium brand of computer audio equipment. Since you recognize Samsung from your television you think that conveys the status of being a premium brand, whereas Mushkin which you admit to knowing nothing about has a colored heat spreader and despite offering a superior product to the one you have, are not. Haha. We can buy some Samsung memory, some crappy Sony headphones, and a Big Mac and we'll be buying premium products. Way better than those PC kids.

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Arun Member since:
2005-07-07

it dawns on me that for some reason you confuse a premium brand with a brand name you recognize. For instance McDonald's is a premium brand dining experience, Micron is a premium brand RAM experience, and Sony is a premium brand consumer electronics experience. I suppose Creative Labs is a premium brand of computer audio equipment. Since you recognize Samsung from your television you think that conveys the status of being a premium brand, whereas

Sorry. In case you didn't know Samsung supplies the chips that go into Corsair products.

Mushkin which you admit to knowing nothing about has a colored heat spreader and despite offering a superior product to the one you have, are not. Haha. We can buy some Samsung memory, some crappy Sony headphones, and a Big Mac and we'll be buying premium products. Way better than those PC kids.

I know more about branding in my sleep than your would wide awake. I don't go by brands only. BTW, I don't have a Samsung TV or any samsung product. The single chip DLPs made me see rainbows and I returned it promptly for a 3 chip lcos TV. The Sony LCD RPTVs were fairly bad at the time. Thier qualia line is superb though. I don't have a thing for sony. Infact no tow components in my hometheater are from the same manufacturer. I never eat at McDonalds or any fast food places and try to avoid chains for that matter. For my headphones I'll stick with Sennhiser (best bang for the buck) can't really afford the orpehus though.

I have some PMC speakers in my home theater, ever hear of them? I am sure you haven't. Look them up.


Let's see teh gamepc review of Samsung DIMMS versus Corsair.

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=ddr2comparo&page=3

Amazingly, the Corsair XMS2 modules, which are geared towards the enthusiast markets with their integrated heat spreaders, were the only modules we could not get to run at 600 MHz speeds on our 925x platform, while the Infineon and Samsung modules were perfectly happy to run at this faster clock speed. We even tried bumping up the voltage levels and increasing the cooling modules on the XMS2 modules, but nothing worked. Asus actually lists the XMS2-533 as “compatible” in 600 MHz mode on this motherboard.

Read carefully. The term for Corsair is enthusiast not premium. It might be premium in your deluded state of mind but it is not considered premium. The samsung DIMMS even overclock better, shame.

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