Linked by Rayiner Hashem on Tue 15th Nov 2005 17:44 UTC
Apple I recently bought one of the new dual core PowerMacs. Having used the machine for a couple of weeks, I thought I would share some of my observations and feelings about it. First, let me get my biases out in the open. I have, for about four years, very happily used Linux on my desktop. Doing so has made me very comfortable with the UNIX environment in general, and with GNOME specifically. During that time, I have used OS X machines on a regular basis, so I am quite comfortable in that environment as well. Since I switched to Linux, I have not used Windows for anything more than the occasional bit of software testing or lab work, and generally feel quite uncomfortable with it. Thus, this article is very much written from the perspective of someone who finds OS X and Linux pleasing on principle. I implore the reader to make his own value judgments based on my comments.
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japail
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2005-06-30

Are you being intentionally retarded? I really have little patience for this asinine stance you have. Samsung is not a premium brand. It's not even a common brand, actually. They were a premium brand for RDRAM several years ago, but that's about it. It doesn't matter that Samsung is a "leading manufacturer," neither their brand nor that model of memory is a premium product. Since you base your entire argument around the brand of the product, rather than the model, I am left with no option but to point out that Samsung is not a brand associated with premium DIMMs, regardless of their manufacturing.

Premium memory is tested, selected, and warrantied for high-performance and aggressive timings. That stick of Samsung memory you linked to is of no higher quality than something out of a Dell machine. Please live in your dream world if you want, but save me the attitude that accompanies your ignorance.

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Arun Member since:
2005-07-07

Are you being intentionally retarded? I really have little patience for this asinine stance you have. Samsung is not a premium brand.

The only person with an Asinine stance is you. Define premium?

Since you base your entire argument around the brand of the product, rather than the model, I am left with no option but to point out that Samsung is not a brand associated with premium DIMMs, regardless of their manufacturing.

According to whom? you? What credentials do you have to specify which brand is premium. Major computer makers use Samsung DIMMS.

Premium memory is tested, selected, and warrantied for high-performance and aggressive timings. That stick of Samsung memory you linked to is of no higher quality than something out of a Dell machine. Please live in your dream world if you want, but save me the attitude that accompanies your ignorance.

Really Samsumg DIMMS are not tested. Apple goes through no QA! Only Corsiar and Mushkin do those things. Right.

The brands you claim to be premium are overclocked DIMMS with heatspreaders. The fact that they are tested with aggressive timing and thier heat dissipation is controlled for those agressive timings doesn't make them premium. It makes them overclocked for overclock frenzied gaming junkies.

Those DIMMS use the same Memory chips that go into the OEM DIMMS, you know the chips that need to respond more agressively. Samsung tests thier DIMMS no less than the others. Infact thier are the ones that put the tolerence is the chips to make it possible for Corsair to overcock them.

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japail Member since:
2005-06-30

Do you understand how fabrication and testing works? Despite me specifically telling you things repeatedly you choose to repeat them as if they are insightful. There are very few manufacturers of DRAM. That however doesn't mean that the bins that CAS4 RAM you own came from underwent the same degree of testing as the premium brands used for the warrantied performance memory. If you think it did, then the answer to my question is "no." That's the value-add. That's why people that buy premium memory don't typically buy Samsung and do buy Mushkin, OCZ, etc.

As for Apple having QA, what does that matter? Do you think they test bins of memory that they obtain from multiple sources to ensure they're of the same caliber as an actual premium RAM supplier?
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/apple_dell_hp_deal_wi...

Wow that Apple QA really saved the day there didn't it, or do you really want me to enumerate the troubles that have befallen them over the years?

Do you think the RAM used by Apple is of greater or lower quality than the RAM used by PC OEMs?

And it's not my fault you don't know anything about "premium RAM brands." Maybe you should bother to see what people that buy top-end hardware actually buy, people that perform benchmarking actually use, and ask yourself why "overclock frenzied gaming junkies" purchase it.

No, of course not. You having no idea what you're talking about, now that's evidence.


(Fixed random obvious grammar mistakes passing by my fluishing brain)

Edited 2005-11-16 17:27

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rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

The only person with an Asinine stance is you. Define premium?

For the sake of argument --- let's define it in terms of cost. Premium RAM = RAM that costs more.

Also, I'd point out that the differences in premium DIMMs doesn't just come from "overclocking". They use much better PCBs with more layers (6-8) than most generic sticks (which use 4). They bin chips that will run at tight timings (CAS2 for DDR, CAS3 for DDR2), instead of the standard JEDEC timings. They also cost more.

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