Linked by Rayiner Hashem on Tue 15th Nov 2005 17:44 UTC
Apple I recently bought one of the new dual core PowerMacs. Having used the machine for a couple of weeks, I thought I would share some of my observations and feelings about it. First, let me get my biases out in the open. I have, for about four years, very happily used Linux on my desktop. Doing so has made me very comfortable with the UNIX environment in general, and with GNOME specifically. During that time, I have used OS X machines on a regular basis, so I am quite comfortable in that environment as well. Since I switched to Linux, I have not used Windows for anything more than the occasional bit of software testing or lab work, and generally feel quite uncomfortable with it. Thus, this article is very much written from the perspective of someone who finds OS X and Linux pleasing on principle. I implore the reader to make his own value judgments based on my comments.
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Arun
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2005-07-07

Do you understand how fabrication and testing works? Despite me specifically telling you things repeatedly you choose to repeat them as if they are insightful. There are very few manufacturers of DRAM. That however doesn't mean that the bins that CAS4 RAM you own came out of underwent the same degree of testing as the premium brands use for the warrantied memory. If you think they do, then the answer to my question is "no." That the value-add. That's why people that buy premium memory don't Samsung and do buy Mushkin, OCZ, etc.

Why does it matter what speed bins the Samsung chips in my G5 came out off? They are never going to be overclocked. They are tested and work at CL 4-4-4-12 and that is waht matters. I don't care that Corsair, OCZ pick higher speed bin samsung parts to overclock. If I put a corsiar cl 3-3-3-8 in my G5 it will still only work at 4-4-4-12. At that point it is just a Samsung DIMM with a fancy heatspeader. There is nothing premium about that. Those low latency DIMMs are for gamers that want an extra fps. It is aking to a guy buying a M5 and another getting a Dinan kit on the M5. The Dinan M5 doesn't become a premium brand and BMW the generic. It means that the Dinan is tweaked for performnace and sound.

Get it.


Do you think the RAM used by Apple is of greater or lower quality than the RAM used by PC OEMs?

No I don't think OEM choices are bad. OEM choices are tested and designed to work with the product I purchased and that is good enough. I don't care for ego massaging by putting a so called enthusiast module in my box for no added benifit.

And it's not my fault you don't know anything about "premium RAM brands." Maybe you should bother to see what people that buy top-end hardware actually buy, people that perform benchmarking actually use, and ask yourself why "overclock frenzied gaming junkies" purchase it.

Sorry I don't consider them Premium I do consider them gamming or enthusiast brands. Top-end hardware to me is stuff that does ECC and garuntees data intergrity and offers a balanced performance. Not ooh I got 2 extra fps playing doom 3.

No, of course not. You having no idea what you're talking about, now that's evidence.

Oh dear...

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japail Member since:
2005-06-30

That your G5 can't make use of higher-performance memory doesn't make it any less value-added.

Out of curiosity do you know what ECC does? And do you think that all ECC memory of the same quality? Premium ECC memory is an entirely different market segment. Much as a luxury sedan is an entirely different market than a limousine.

And before I forget, I defined "generic" as "in as much as any random OEM will use them" which you miraculously managed to repeat in a reply to my comment, and you don't even disagree that these don't afford any of the value-added performance guarantees, nor that stick of memory is superior to the random PC OEM. Now all you have to do is stop pretending the only value added to memory certified to work in various configurations or with certain timings differs solely in the presence of a heat spreader and you're all the way there. If for some reason you think I bothered to put "generic" in quotes in order to suggest that "micron" and "samsung" are not names, then I'm impressed.

Edited 2005-11-16 17:47

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Arun Member since:
2005-07-07

That your G5 can't make use of higher-performance memory doesn't make it any less value-added.

What is the value add?? The fancy heatspeader and the Corsair name??? What exactly is the value that the enthusiast DIMM is provding for the added $$$s?

Out of curiosity do you know what ECC does? And do you think that all ECC memory of the same quality? Premium ECC memory is an entirely different market segment. Much as a luxury sedan is an entirely different market than a limousine.

Yes I do. What is a premium ECC memory Brand? Corsair doesn't even make ECC memory and they only have buffered DDR1 DIMMs. I am curious what is "premium ECC memory"

And before I forget, I defined "generic" as "in as much as any random OEM will use them" which you miraculously managed to repeat in a reply to my comment, and you don't even disagree that these don't afford any of the value-added performance guarantees, nor that stick of memory is superior to the random PC OEM.

Your definition of generic is flawed at best. Let's see hartge mods premium cars for appearance. That is thier value add. Since there is a hartge BMW 6 series in the market, a value added BMW, carried by a few BMW dealers . Does it mean that BMW now is a generic brand of cars because every BMW dealer stocks the factory trim version and only a few carry the hartge one. Or extend that example to dinan for performance.

The BMW is still a premium car brand even if value-added brands that customize BMW exist. Get it.


Now all you have to do is stop pretending the only value added to memory certified to work in various configurations or with certain timings differs solely in the presence of a heat spreader and you're all the way there.

Please tell me what the technical difference is between a Corsair DIMM and a Samsung DIMM with the same memory chips. Why would you need a heat spreader on slower clocked DIMMS?

I wonder why Corsair's Valueselect line has no timing information or heatspreaders on them. Is the value select line from Corsair still considered premium memory according to you?

If for some reason you think I bothered to put "generic" in quotes in order to suggest that "micron" and "samsung" are not names, then I'm impressed.

If for some reason you think I bothered to put "generic" in quotes in order to suggest that "micron" and "samsung" are not names, then I'm impressed.

What? You lost me.

BTW you were claiming crucial was a premium brand, till I told you that crucial sells the same OEM micron sticks and adds a crucial label. Wonder why?

Edited 2005-11-16 19:00

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