Linked by Rayiner Hashem on Tue 15th Nov 2005 17:44 UTC
Apple I recently bought one of the new dual core PowerMacs. Having used the machine for a couple of weeks, I thought I would share some of my observations and feelings about it. First, let me get my biases out in the open. I have, for about four years, very happily used Linux on my desktop. Doing so has made me very comfortable with the UNIX environment in general, and with GNOME specifically. During that time, I have used OS X machines on a regular basis, so I am quite comfortable in that environment as well. Since I switched to Linux, I have not used Windows for anything more than the occasional bit of software testing or lab work, and generally feel quite uncomfortable with it. Thus, this article is very much written from the perspective of someone who finds OS X and Linux pleasing on principle. I implore the reader to make his own value judgments based on my comments.
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Arun
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2005-07-07

For $2700, "not worse" doesn't cut it.

I already the explained to you how memory is sourced. If you belive that the Apple memory is a generic Samsung Stick... I don't know what to say. I posted the partnumber and it isn't a model Samsung sells.

Generic means that the part is a commodity part procurable through retail channels or was already available in the market and Apple chose to use it.

From the partnumber it is clear it isn't generic but Apple specific. You silly definition of generic not withstanding.

Do you have plots to prove otherwise? At least I have conventional wisdom on my side. Go to ArsTechnica's hardware forum and ask whether anybody would recommend buying generic Samsung memory versus
name-brand memory.


You made a claim about low margins and the supposedly high quaility of "premium" RAM. The onus is on you to provide the proof. You claimed objectivity based on subjective metrics.

My claim is that you can't tell either way without measurements.

Yes, but usually when large groups of people believe something, there is a reason for it.

large groups of people believed a one time that the earth was flat. Did that make it true?

Personal experience suggests that buying cheap electronics rarely turns out for the best. I've bought enough ECS motherboards to not make that mistake again. If you have proof the contrary, I'll be glad to see it. Barring that, I'll go by my experience and the words of others.

Sure you are claiming that ECS motherbaords and OEM DIMMS from Samsung, Micron, Hynix, infineon are of the same quailty.

So every PowerMac and DELL is crashing because of memory errors????

Presumably the OEMs don't manufacture their own RAM, and would have to source their high-quality memory from the likes of Corsair, etc. Even in those situations, they are surely not living on 0.5% margins, so the point still stands.

I am sure Alienware doesn't pay the same for the XMS DIMMS from corsair that an individual pays whe ordering from thier website. I am guessing you don't realize the meaning of business contracts, OEM contracts and volume pricing.

Since you are no OEM and are buying retail suffice it to say that you paid a lot higher for you RAM then Alienware did for thiers.

You've dodged my point completely. Even if you don't believe that buying premium parts is worthwhile (the proverbial rock on the CD player), you still have to admit Apple's computers don't contain premium parts. That's not belief, that's fact.

I would admit to it if we could come to a concensus on what a Generic component is? What a premium component is? And most importantly if the premium component is any better or just prettier?

Can you buy the exact part number for the Samsung DIMM from Samsung/ best buy/ an xyz local computer shop? If you can't it isn't Generic.

In the week or so of Mac threads that came up before I wrote this article, I saw people say several times something along the lines of "at least Apple's parts are better than what you find in your crappy Dell." Having owned both a Dell and an Apple, I can now say, no, they're not. That doesn't mean Apple's parts are bad, or Dell's are good, but simply that Apple, in parts quality, is no different from Dell, or HP, or any other major PC OEM. That's all I'm trying to prove.

Sure your proof is based on a comparison with a home built PC with hand selected components specificly designed to meed your needs of silent computing. That is where the problem begins.

You didn't take the latest Dell XPS system and compare it to the PowerMac.

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