Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th Nov 2005 19:32 UTC, submitted by Eugenia
Mono Project "We just released Mono 1.1.10, our best release so far. The major feature missing from this release to call it Mono 1.2 is the completion of our Windows.Forms implementation. In this document I only present the direction of development of the Mono team at Novell; a more comprehensive view of other Mono developments by the Mono community is something that am working on and will post at a later date. I also present how our team's priorities are shifting in response to Novell's own internal use of Mono and external factors like the final release of .NET 2.0."
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RE[2]: Cemented my move to Fedora
by WorknMan on Fri 18th Nov 2005 00:04 UTC in reply to "RE: Cemented my move to Fedora"
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

There is simply no market whatsoever for Mono in the Linux and non-Windows world, and does not justify any of the investment that has been made in it nor will it ever pay that investment back.

Not necessarily. With the eventual arrival of Vista, ..NET programming is going to be the rage on Windows platforms. And if Mono is mature enough that I can take my Windows .NET apps and port them over to Mono without too much agony, I might just consider doing that.
However, if Mono is always going to be two steps behind (as seems to be the case so far), then you're right .. it's use on non-Windows systems may be limited. But then again, how much usage does Java currently enjoy on Windows platforms? Honestly, I haven't used a Java desktop app yet that I've actually liked. Jedit was alright, but even it reeks of its Java underpinnings.

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theGrump Member since:
2005-11-11

>> With the eventual arrival of Vista, ..NET programming is going to be the rage

wake up, look at gmaps, gmail, flickr salesforce.com etc etc

THESE are the apps of tomorrow

even microsoft has conceded in a major way that they missed services and are now coming back with a vengence to try to get back lost turf...not even they believe .net programming is going to take over the world at this point

the browser stack is the new application delivery platform

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cendrizzi Member since:
2005-07-08

theGrump,
.net has everything to do with their web development strategy too. While I'm a PHP fan it's clear that ASP.net is a very nice development framework.

As a web developer I love seeing what's happening with web applications but you're dreaming if that is making all desktop applications obsolete.

Don't buy too much into hype surrounding web 2.0. It's incredible stuff but it's still just an evolutionary change.

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Not necessarily.

Yes.

With the eventual arrival of Vista, ..NET programming is going to be the rage on Windows platforms.

I'm afraid you're a bit deluded if you think that is going to translate into success on non-Windows platforms. .Net is a Windows technology, uses exclusively Windows and Microsoft technology and will do so even more. The fact that parts of it might be achievable from a cross platform point of view is irrelevant.

I am looking at a market that exists for Linux vendors which is the Java application server market. There is simply no .Net market for non-Windows systems, and even the Windows one is a bit slow.

But then again, how much usage does Java currently enjoy on Windows platforms? Honestly, I haven't used a Java desktop app yet that I've actually liked. Jedit was alright, but even it reeks of its Java underpinnings.

We're not talking about Windows desktop applications (otherwise what's the point of Mono?), and I'm not even talking about desktop applications. The market is on the server side, and that's where a Linux vendor's bread and butter is. The desktop side is a bonus, and with Eclipse that's what Red Hat look as if they're working on tools-wise, but the Java application server market is their clear aim. That's just one of the reasons why Red Hat is booming and Novell isn't, but if Novell think they're just going to copy Red Hat's lead and it will all fall into place then they're going to be even more disappointed.

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cendrizzi Member since:
2005-07-08

Bah, What you fail to understand is that .net is already a success on Linux. Mono apps are quickly becoming (if not already there) the finest applications avaialble on gnome.

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