Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 27th Aug 2015 23:18 UTC
Windows This hit the news yesterday.

Microsoft released Windows 10 four weeks ago today, and now the company is providing a fresh update on its upgrade figures. 14 million machines had been upgraded to Windows 10 within 24 hours of the operating system release last month, and that figure has now risen to more than 75 million in just four weeks.

As somebody who uses Windows every day, and who upgraded to Windows 10 a few weeks before it was released, let me make a statement about all the positive Windows 10 reviews that not everyone is going to like. There are only two reasons Windows 10 is getting positive reviews. First, because it's free. This one's a given. Second, and more importantly: Windows 10 is getting positive reviews because none of the reviewers have forced themselves to use nothing but Metro applications.

Here's the cold and harsh truth as I see it: despite all the promises, Metro applications are still complete and utter garbage. Let me explain why.

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RE[4]: Spot on...
by novad on Fri 28th Aug 2015 20:00 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Spot on..."
novad
Member since:
2010-06-10

At the moment, there are more than enough reasons to avoid this until these things get settled.


Good. Don't like it don't use it. It's your right.

The automatic update problem does only exist outside of the enterprise. Corporate "enterprise" Windows 10 does not require automatic updates.

And if there is an European ruling there will be a Win10E (just an example) for Europe without the automatic update process. It's not the first time MS has to do it and it's certainly not a big deal.

BTW... I've heard for YEARS people complaining on OSN that there is no mandatory update mechanism in Windows and that, contrary to (put the name of your favorite OS) you have old and unpatched versions still running. This is now resolved and what now? The traditional anti-MS bashing.

You also use "we" in a bit too generalist way... Your opinion is yours. I'm part of WE as well as many others and certainly don't share it.

I don't like spying either... But as long as you have a phone, a social media account (even linkedin) or whatever fidelity card, you already sold your privacy.

If people learned to configure decently the settings of their OS (including W10), their "privacy" would be sensibly as well preserved as it is under W7 now.

Edit : Typo

Edited 2015-08-28 20:02 UTC

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RE[5]: Spot on...
by jnemesh on Fri 28th Aug 2015 21:57 in reply to "RE[4]: Spot on..."
jnemesh Member since:
2008-04-08

He is not alone, and your tone is arrogant in the extreme.

The privacy issues are NOT minor, nor are the users bothered by this small in number. This is a SERIOUS concern, and Microsoft has stepped FAR over the line...in SEVERAL areas, with regards to how they are treating their users and their data!

Just because YOU are a sheep does not give you some kind of moral high ground to call others out for being concerned about these issues!

Oh, and configuring the settings, as you suggest, DOES NOT, I repeat, DOES NOT solve the problem! Even if you turn everything off, Windows 10 still continues to send data to MS servers!

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-tol...

Edited 2015-08-28 21:59 UTC

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RE[6]: Spot on...
by novad on Sat 29th Aug 2015 04:36 in reply to "RE[5]: Spot on..."
novad Member since:
2010-06-10

He is not alone, and your tone is arrogant in the extreme.


Funny... If I compare what I wrote and what you wrote I would say you should maybe apply your critic to yourself first. But OK... It's not the first time I have to deal with a courageous keyboard warrior.

BTW... I didn't say he's alone. I said he's not everybody. Do you see the difference here?

The privacy issues are NOT minor, nor are the users bothered by this small in number. This is a SERIOUS concern, and Microsoft has stepped FAR over the line...in SEVERAL areas, with regards to how they are treating their users and their data!


Where have I said I'm not concerned with privacy issues? I just said that once well configured privacy issues are not worse than those ALLREADY existing today. If you think that today, with win 7 + INSTALLED APPLICATIONS, WITH YOUR SOCIAL ACCOUNT(S), PHONE, ETC you don't have the same security issues, you're just naive (Same is valid with Apple or Google).

Just because YOU are a sheep does not give you some kind of moral high ground to call others out for being concerned about these issues!


[irony]I'm SOOOOOO sorry to have a different opinion than you and to have dared to express it especially in a blatantly anti-MS thread. I naivly thought this was the reason for comments.[/irony] Who's the sheep here?

Oh, and configuring the settings, as you suggest, DOES NOT, I repeat, DOES NOT solve the problem! Even if you turn everything off, Windows 10 still continues to send data to MS servers!


I never said W10 would send no data. I said that once well configured it would be decent.

What I wrote in my first post remains perfectly valid. Don't like it don't use it. It's your right.

Now if you want to continue your ranting feel free... But without me. Enjoy

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RE[5]: Spot on...
by Lennie on Sat 29th Aug 2015 17:58 in reply to "RE[4]: Spot on..."
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

The automatic update problem does only exist outside of the enterprise. Corporate "enterprise" Windows 10 does not require automatic updates.


Yes, this means other non-enterprise companies are still on the upgrade cycle. Even though they'll get the same kind of problems: lots of machines with the same hardware if a forced upgrade breaks a driver lots of machines will be offline.

(unless you make a separate group of machines with the same hardware which get the upgrades first so at least you can catch it before all machines with the same hardware automatically upgrade)

BTW... I've heard for YEARS people complaining on OSN that there is no mandatory update mechanism in Windows and that, contrary to (put the name of your favorite OS) you have old and unpatched versions still running. This is now resolved and what now? The traditional anti-MS bashing.


'We' (if that even includes me) asked for better security updates.

Microsoft doesn't do this, they combine all the changes in one update.

Look at how Linux updates, automatic security updates are just one thing: security updates. Functionality doesn't change. If you look at what code changes for security updates it usually ends up being one liners or a little more.

I don't like spying either... But as long as you have a phone, a social media account (even linkedin) or whatever fidelity card, you already sold your privacy.


I have a (smart)phone and a Twitter account, that's it.

The phone I need for work, I'm not happy about it because my location gets recorded every 5 minutes in a database. But only the phone company and the government should have access to that data. And there are laws which prevent them from using this information in any other way.

And my smartphone does not run: iOS or Android or Windows so not lots of stuff gets uploaded to wherever.

On Twitter I only do what I want to be public. Because most of what you do on Twitter is already public.

I've actually changed routes on how I go to work to avoid CCTV cameras.

And I don't travel by airplane.

Nobody else has access to my data and I'm trying to keep it that way.

And if I can find a good mixing system I can trust I'll be using crypto currencies instead of my bank account some day soon too.

Edited 2015-08-29 18:05 UTC

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