Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 19th Nov 2005 16:52 UTC, submitted by chrishaney
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu The first preview release of (K)Ubuntu 6.04 Dapper Drake has been released. You can download Ubuntu here, and Kubuntu here. Screenshots can be found here and here.
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RE[8]: meh
by thebluesgnr on Sat 19th Nov 2005 21:15 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: meh"
thebluesgnr
Member since:
2005-11-14

Hundreds of people from all over the world are copyright (copyleft) owners of the code in GNOME. Ximian does not own GNOME, Miguel de Icaza doesn't own GNOME and Novel doesn't own GNOME. Please get your facts together.

SLES and Novell Desktop will default to GNOME in future versions. Red Hat defaults to GNOME since they adopted it to replace fvwm95.

As for Lindows (oops), Xandros, etc, these are rather small distributions. Since you care about popularity so much, you should know Red Hat/Fedora, SuSE and Ubuntu are far more popular.

As for Konqueror and others being the best, that's rather subjective. My opinion:
I refuse to run a file manager that's also a file browser, that's just plain bad usability copied from Microsoft Windows 98. I don't use a CD writer, I use the file manager to write data CD's and the music player to write audio discs. I never tried Amarok, but Banshee works wonderfully. May I also mention f-spot, that app truly kicks ass.

The point is not - hey you're wrong, these other apps are actually the best. The point is, stick to what you prefer and stop wasting time attacking other free desktop environments. Do like KDE developers, they cooperate with GNOME.
For example, GNOME has better accessibility support out of the box than Windows. KDE is working on integrating the same framework for KDE 4, so it can be as accessible as GNOME, and ahead of proprietary software.

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RE[9]: meh
by camel on Sat 19th Nov 2005 21:33 in reply to "RE[8]: meh"
camel Member since:
2005-06-29

> I refuse to run a file manager that's also a file browser, that's just plain bad usability copied from Microsoft Windows 98.

Do you have any studies on that?

<rant>
It's just that by now, I am rather convinced that the words "usability" and "bloat" have lost all their meaning, and are now priced memberers of the buzzword-bingo family.

Everybody seems to be an expert.

Please, if you feel the need to utter those words, think again, or at least qualify as to why the usability is sub-standard in your opinion, or in what regard something is bloated.
</rant>

By the way, there is an interesting opinion piece that I came across (sadly you need to have access to ACMs Digital Library, as I did not find it elsewhere...)

"The misapplication of professional opinion"
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1096554.1096563

To Quote:

"This design isn't simple."

"This design isn't consistent."

How many times have we heard these design complaints?
Engineers and marketing managers have heard us squawking about heuristics and they've finally found their dictionaries and are squawking back!



Thank you for spending your time to read my little comment.

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RE[9]: meh
by segedunum on Sun 20th Nov 2005 02:06 in reply to "RE[8]: meh"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

As for Lindows (oops), Xandros, etc, these are rather small distributions. Since you care about popularity so much, you should know Red Hat/Fedora, SuSE and Ubuntu are far more popular.

Linspire and Xandros are businesses that are going out, doing it and carving themselves out some revenue. Lindows are now keeping themselves ticking over with Click 'n' Run revenues and Xandros have revenues which seem to be sustaining them reasonably. Where's the money coming from at Novell and Sun? Non-existant desktop deployments in China and elsewhere? You can only keep fooling people for so long, and I applaud Red Hat for at least coming out and saying it. Those big desktop distributions are quite a bit smaller than anyone thinks.

Red Hat do not have any business at all with desktops (as they've admitted), Suse did make a tidy profit from Suse Linux Professional for enthusiasts and small businesses (KDE based, of course) until some clever people at Novell thought they could make a corporate desktop for customers that do not exist and effectively discontinue Suse Linux. Ubuntu still needs to prove that it is sustainable, but at least Mark Shuttleworth seems to have his head screwed on the right way.

May I also mention f-spot, that app truly kicks ass.

May I also mention that Digikam pisses all over it and gets substantially less hype?

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RE[9]: meh
by defile on Sun 20th Nov 2005 04:56 in reply to "RE[8]: meh"
defile Member since:
2005-07-09

"I refuse to run a file manager that's also a file browser, that's just plain bad usability copied from Microsoft Windows 98."

That isn't quite correct. KFM (the precursor to Konq) had that feature in mid 1997 IIRC. In late 1997 when beta 2 came out, it was already fairly functional (although slow) as a web browser and very good as a file manager. Network awareness throughout the environment was present. KDE beta 4 was released (Apr 98) and was quite usable as both a browser and a file manager. My only complaints about it were that it was a tad slow compaired to Netscape, sometimes it would seem to just hang while rendering pages on the Internet (maybe that was just my crappy 24.4K connection), and the whole environment was a resource hog compaired to FVWM (still my favorite).

Yum! http://www.speculation.org/~defile/pix/desktops/current.png.

Other than that minor quibble, I absolutely agree with you. Use what suits _you_ on _your_ system.

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