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RE[4]: KDE IS DOOMED....
by on Sun 20th Nov 2005 03:25 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: KDE IS DOOMED...."

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i can see that you've never done even a day of User Interface Design in your life. all kde developers and users believe that it doesn't exist. and thats why we can all see why kde isn't going anywhere fast.
good excuses, but "must try harder next time"




segedunum

i have got to hand it to you, segedumum. you are absolutely priceless. haha. that article that you've linked to. the poll was taken from DesktopLinux.com. we are talking about ORDINARY AVERAGE USERS, not linux geeks who like to spend their days twiddling with kde's 5 billion configuration options instead of getting a girlfriend. the ORDINARY AVERAGE USERS are the ones who have been shown to consistantly prefer the gnome desktop both in usability and productivity. all the market research has shown this. novell and all the others who are dropping kde in favour of gnome aren't stupid! theres money to be made. and they're not going to go with a desktop if it thinks for one moment that its not going to be as popular as an alternative. they have done their research and they have all decided that gnome is the way forward. the evidence that gnome is the better desktop for the ordinary average user is that companies are putting thousands of pounds where their mouth is, and thats the strongest evidence of all!
there's nothing actually wrong with the qt toolkit. its actually a very good toolkit. the problem is with the cluelessness of the kde developers themselves. if they did the following, kde would be onto a clear winner:

-made the interface much less cluttered
-cleared up all the mess
-dropped all that useless kde functionality to speed kde up considerably and improve overall reliability (complex software is almost always more bugridden than streamlined software. its even more unreliable if its all interconnected, as kde tries to be)
-designed applications with a clear purpose instead of focusing on stuffing it with functionality that most people are never going to use
-finally did something about that god awful control centre
-most importantly, developed a plan and got their priorities right (ie usability before functionality)

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RE[5]: KDE IS DOOMED....
by on Sun 20th Nov 2005 03:31 in reply to "RE[4]: KDE IS DOOMED...."
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all kde developers and users believe that it doesn't exist.

So please tell me, what is your "intuition". How can we measure it? What are the criteria for designing for intuition? Are there intuition experts or Intuition walkthroughs and heuristics? How do we test if anything is intuitive?



You named some valid points what KDE should do (not all of them, but I guess that is normal ;-)
But none of that has anything to do with "intuitiveness" and all with good ui design

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RE[6]: KDE IS DOOMED....
by on Sun 20th Nov 2005 03:33 in reply to "RE[5]: KDE IS DOOMED...."
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(not all of them, but I guess that is normal ;-)

should have been

(I do not agree with all of them...)

I guess that troll is pretty distracting ;-)

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RE[6]: KDE IS DOOMED....
by on Sun 20th Nov 2005 03:44 in reply to "RE[5]: KDE IS DOOMED...."
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"How can we measure it?"

thats easy. by asking ordinary average users what they prefer and feel comfortable about using. they also do some phychological tests too.

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RE[5]: KDE IS DOOMED....
by unoengborg on Sun 20th Nov 2005 06:00 in reply to "RE[4]: KDE IS DOOMED...."
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2005-07-06


-made the interface much less cluttered
-cleared up all the mess


Agree, this really need to happen or KDE will never make it on the desktops of ordinary users. I.e. users that have educations unrelated to engineering or computers.


-dropped all that useless kde functionality to speed kde up considerably and improve overall reliability (complex software is almost always more bugridden than streamlined software. its even more unreliable if its all interconnected, as kde tries to be)


In my experience, KDE is much more reliable than Gnome
probably due to a better toolkit and object orientated development techniques


-designed applications with a clear purpose instead of focusing on stuffing it with functionality that most people are never going to use


There is nothing wrong with functionality, but it must be designed in a way that uncommon tasks not get in the way of more common ones. One example, when you do drag and drop in Konqueror, you get a popup menu when you drop your file over the drop target. The menu asks you if you want to move, copy, link or cancel. I have yet to see a Unix system where the number of links is over one percent of all the existing files, and most of these links are created by installation scripts and such. So the chance that a user actually would like to do a link on drag and drop is very minimal. Also drag and drop is not something you do by mistake, why should there be a cancel item. Other menus doesn't seam to need a cancel intem. In other words 50% of the alternatives in that popup is almost never used. Out of the remaining "move" and "copy", move is the only one that fits well with the desktop metaphore. It is also the most frequently used item. This means that the menu will get in the way and interrupt the users flow of work quite frequently.


-finally did something about that god awful control centre


If you read KDE usability lists, you would think that KDE users didn't do anything but fiddling around in the control center. It have been redesigned over and over again. Doing it once again would be a waste of time. There are so many other things in KDE that are much more urgent to fix. After all, normal non geek users will spend a few hours in it when they set up their system, the rest of the time they will do real productie work.


-most importantly, developed a plan and got their priorities right (ie usability before functionality)


Very true.

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