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RE[5]: KDE IS DOOMED....
by cm__ on Sun 20th Nov 2005 16:07 UTC
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2005-07-07

> Many people even get surprised when you tell them
> that their PC hardware and windows are separate
> parts. To these users KDE is not a good fit.

It's really funny to see that half the people who say that KDE was doomed (in the corporate world or not) argue that it is because KDE is not for windows users and the other half hold that KDE cannot succeed because it is too much like windows. Am I the only one who thinks that this is completely contradictory?

IMHO most arguments brought up in the troll wars in web forums like this are irrelevant to the real world.

- The GPL licencse of Qt that's brought up ad nauseam is of no concern to a corporate KDE user who needs to write up letters and spreadsheets, and print them. The majority doesn't do any software development, they just USE software.

- Third party developers have several choices:
* develop their apps under a GPL-compatible license
* buy a Closed Source license and choose whatever license they want. The license cost is small compared to the annual salary of a software developer.
* choose any other toolkit. The apps will run just fine under KDE and with gtk-qt they will even look native.

- Usability of KDE can and will be improved, but even in its current state it is *no* killer argument against it. There is ample proof that regular users can cope just fine with KDE in a corporate setting (where there are admins to take care of the setup!).
* One example is here: http://dot.kde.org/1131711558/
* The city of Munich will go for Debian and KDE, too.
* At the office I work there are quite a few Linux users, and AFAIK none of them runs a GNOME desktop. It's either KDE or plain WindowMaker. And I don't know a single person who runs redhat. Now I don't make the mistake to generalise my personal experience to the whole world, but I ask everyone else to avoid that error, too, especially the people from the US and Mexico where redhat is dominant.

- Looks are not as important as trolls make it, and it's configurable. Any distro and/or corporate admin can do it for the end user, and computer savvy end users can do it themselves. It's really not complicated. That voids all the "KDE is ugly", "KDE is too colourful", ... threads.

- Configuration management and lockdown is important in the business world. KDE's kiosk framework and the related application kiosktool is worth looking at for that.

Edited 2005-11-20 16:15

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RE[6]: KDE IS DOOMED....
by on Sun 20th Nov 2005 16:13 in reply to "RE[5]: KDE IS DOOMED...."
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"Usability of KDE can and will be improved, but even in its current state it is *no* killer argument against it. There is ample proof that regular users can cope just fine with KDE in a corporate setting (where there are admins to take care of the setup!)."

you're missing the point. gnome already fits the bill NOW. why adjust every single kde app when there is gnome that fits the bill straight out of the box?

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RE[7]: KDE IS DOOMED....
by dylansmrjones on Sun 20th Nov 2005 17:36 in reply to "RE[6]: KDE IS DOOMED...."
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2005-10-02

Because some people prefer KDE no matter what?

Just like some of us prefer Gnome over KDE. Personally I'd stick to Knome if that choice existed ;)

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RE[7]: KDE IS DOOMED....
by segedunum on Sun 20th Nov 2005 18:38 in reply to "RE[6]: KDE IS DOOMED...."
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2005-07-06

you're missing the point. gnome already fits the bill NOW. why adjust every single kde app when there is gnome that fits the bill straight out of the box?

Because they don't fit the bill. Many Gnome/GTK apps are not particularly complete, and when you compare the quality of stuff like Amarok, Digikam or K3B there is simply no contest. KDE does not require a .Net clone to increase the quality of its applications. From that point of view KDE apps are more than usable because of the inherant quality, integration and the framework between them.

There are of course things to enhance on and work on the usability front, but that's always an ongoing process. Gnome still has quite a bit of work, because usability is not about having a HIG and talking about crap like about icons, clutter and clean and professional. Usability is about how fit applications are for the purpose, whether they actually work and do what they say on the tin and the functionality an application presents. Human interface guidelines are important, but they are just a part of an overall whole.

You have this the wrong way round.

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