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Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu The first preview release of (K)Ubuntu 6.04 Dapper Drake has been released. You can download Ubuntu here, and Kubuntu here. Screenshots can be found here and here.
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by archiesteel on Sun 20th Nov 2005 20:43 UTC
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yes you do!! how many times have people said/written "kde applications are much better than their gnome equivelents. just look at k3b and amorak. there are no gnome equivelents blah blah blah"

Sigh. Let's look at what you originally wrote, so that I may demonstrate how your affirmation was false.

why does every kde person out there think that the quality of a DE depends upon a cd burner(k3b) and an unneedlessly complex player

You start out by saying "why does every kde person out there". "Every" means "all", as in "every single one". So, according to you, every single kde user claims that the quality of KDE depends on K3b and amaroK (which, btw, has a very well-designed UI).

That is clearly not true. For starters, there are quite a few Gnome users that use K3b and amaroK, just like I, as a KDE user, use a number of Gtk apps. Also, many people would prefer KDE not because of amaroK or K3b, but because of other apps, features and technologies. I know of at least one person who thinks this way (they use KDE on a workstation that managers servers, and therefore has no media player or CD burner). Therefore your overly broad affirmation is clearly false.

no it isn't. its to do with the design of the interface. the technique is to fit the maximum possible functionality into an application while keeping the interface as intuitive and simple as possible.

Would you say that Gimp and Inkscape have simple interfaces? How about Maya or (god forbid) 3DSMax?

As someone said before, intuition is only one element of UI design. Clarity and familiarity are others. But ultimately the important aspect of an app is what it allows you to do. An app can have the best UI in the world, if the functionality isn't there it's useless.

kde have it the other way round - they seem to want to make even the most basic of applications seem complex, almost as if the number of buttons determines how much functionality it has. its is PLAINLY OBVIOUS that the kde developers don't write with any end user in mind other than themselves and their own kind.

That's a gratuitious assertion. Simple apps such as kwrite have simple interfaces, because they have simple functions. K3b has a simple, easy-to-use interface, so does amaroK (compared to its functionality).

Even Konqueror is simple to use. The biggest gripe people have against it is that there are three or four buttons on the toolbar that shouldn't be there...I'm sorry, but I have a hard time taking this seriously. The fact is that I've have complete novices use Konqueror to browse the web and they had no problems using it. In fact, at least one of them asked me what version of Internet Explorer this was...

i can tell that you've never studied interface design in your life.

Actually, I have. I've designed web sites for years, and I have been designing console games for the past five years, including the UI. I've done focus tests (formal and informal) for these games as well.

The fact is that UI design is not an exact science. What works for some people won't work for others. Saying that there is "one true way" to devise UIs is either being excessively naive, presumptuous or downright dishonest.

the proof is in the pudding. i've already stated this.

The fact that you've stated it means nothing, that's just an example of the logical fallacy known as "Begging the question."

What I want is empirical studies showing that Gnome is indeed the preferred choice of "average users", as well as a clear definition of what constitutes an average user.

Until then, all you're doing is presenting your opinion as fact, and that's not a valid argument.

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