Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Aug 2016 21:28 UTC
Windows

The Windows 10 Anniversary Update was released earlier this evening, and I dutifully installed it so that I could write about any oddities that might pop up. Well, a number of oddities have popped up, and they're bad - really bad. The Anniversary Update does some really shady stuff during installation that it doesn't inform you of at all until after the fact.

First, the Anniversary Update reinstalls Skype "for you", even if you had it uninstalled earlier, which in and of itself is a blatant disregard for users - I uninstalled it for a reason, and I'd like Microsoft to respect that. That in and of itself is bad enough, but here's the kicker: during installation, Microsoft also automatically logs you into Skype, so that possible Skype contacts can just start calling or messaging you - again, without ever asking for the user's consent.

Imagine my surprise when I open that useless Metro notification center thing - whose button now sits in the bottom right of the task bar, right of the clock, even, and is unremovable - and see that Skype is now installed, and that I'm logged in. This is a blatant disregard for users, and I'm sure tons of users will be unpleasantly surprised to see Microsoft forcing Skype down their throats.

There was an even bigger surprise, though: during installation of the Anniversary Update, Microsoft apparently flags Classic Shell - a popular Start menu replacement that gives Windows 10 a customisable Start menu that doesn't suck - as incompatible with the Anniversary Update, and just straight-up deletes hides it from your computer - again, without ever notifying you beforehand or asking you for your permission.

Update: actually, the application isn't removed entirely - it's still there in the Program Files folder, but it's entirely scrapped from search results and the Start menu. Effectively, for most users, that's identical to removing it. What an incredibly odd and user-hostile way of dealing with this. You can see how the wording in the screenshot below is confusing regarding the removing vs. hiding issue.

Classic Shell released an update to fix the compatibility issue detected, so I hope my settings are still there somewhere, because it'd suck having to redo all of them because Microsoft just randomly deleted a program from my computer hid a program, without informing me or asking me for my permission. It could've just disabled the program, prevented it from running - why delete hide it entirely? Are they that desperate to try and get me to use their terrible excuse for a Start menu?

So, just in case you're about to install this update - Microsoft will force Skype down your throat, and may randomly delete hide programs from your computer without asking for your permission.

Have fun.

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Comment by lucas_maximus
by lucas_maximus on Wed 3rd Aug 2016 21:42 UTC
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

TBH this is the regular sky is falling update everytime Thom finds something doesn't work for him, even though this has been happening for months or years (according to forum searches)

It is a classic boy who cried wolf shite.

I have been using Windows for work as a development plaform professionally since 2006 and I haven't had any problems building or running anything ever unless it was *nix based and they did a half arsed windows port.

Edited 2016-08-03 21:43 UTC

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RE: Comment by lucas_maximus
by Sauron on Wed 3rd Aug 2016 21:46 in reply to "Comment by lucas_maximus"
Sauron Member since:
2005-08-02

Well, good for you. Of course, everyone should have the same likes/dislikes and experience as you, only you matter after all!

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RE: Comment by lucas_maximus
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 3rd Aug 2016 21:56 in reply to "Comment by lucas_maximus"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm glad you don't give a shit about what happens on your machine and are perfectly fine with Microsoft installing and removing shit at will, without asking for permission or even notifying you.

There's no need to be so aggressive to people who aren't okay with this. People can have different opinions. Microsoft will survive a few harsh words, if that's what you're worried about. The world will keep spinning.

Coincidentally, people were saying the same thing back when I wrote about Microsoft's notification ad spam from Office on Android - until that article got Microsoft to cease the ad spam.

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Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

So, every version of Windows 98 has re-added some previously-uninstalled components when you upgrade from previous versions - and this is an upgrade from a previous version, despite what the branding shows.

It used to be, for the most part, you choose them ahead of installation, so they wouldn't be copied over, thus conserving disk space. Since everything is copied anyways, and most setup occurs after installation, rather than deselecting them from some poorly-structured tree listing, now you just remove them after the fact.

This isn't at all unexpected, surprising. Not sure why it's not a big deal. It's just one of those things that happens when you upgrade your operating system.

Edited 2016-08-04 01:57 UTC

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I'm glad you don't give a shit about what happens on your machine and are perfectly fine with Microsoft installing and removing shit at will, without asking for permission or even notifying you


False dichotomy Thom. I do I just don't bitch about rather minor things after a major OS update. Windows 98 used to come bundled with hotmail and webtv ... comon this is nothing new.

The application you are complaining about getting disabled is an app that is frequently flagged as not compatible on and off for f--king years.

Without inspecting the source it is impossible to say but it probably digs it claws into the OS in various ways.

There's no need to be so aggressive to people who aren't okay with this. People can have different opinions. Microsoft will survive a few harsh words, if that's what you're worried about. The world will keep spinning.


That is fine. but when you present you opinion as fact it kinda grates me. And a lot of them are opinions and not facts.

Coincidentally, people were saying the same thing back when I wrote about Microsoft's notification ad spam from Office on Android - until that article got Microsoft to cease the ad spam.


Well did it deserve it because I run those same apps and I never got the same thing.

Edited 2016-08-04 21:19 UTC

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