Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 30th Aug 2016 17:00 UTC
Apple

The European Commission has concluded that Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13 billion to Apple. This is illegal under EU state aid rules, because it allowed Apple to pay substantially less tax than other businesses. Ireland must now recover the illegal aid.

That sound you hear? That's the sound of a house of cards tumbling down.

There's quite a lot of misinformation on the web about this whole thing. First and foremost, the crux of the matter here is that it's the EU's job to protect the internal market, and to ensure that there's a level playing field between its various member states, and it does this through a number of regulations, laws, and codes that member states must adhere to. Whether you, personally, agree with this goal or not is irrelevant; Ireland is part of the EU single market and signed the dotted line - and this comes with the responsibility of implementing, adhering to, and upholding said regulations, laws, and codes.

Second, the EU claims that the special deals the Irish government gave to Apple are a form of illegal state aid; something many other companies have been fined and punished for as well. It's just that with a company the size of Apple, and the extensiveness of the tax-lowering deal Ireland gave to Apple, the illegal state aid easily reaches monstrous proportions.

Third, this isn't some EU manhunt or vendetta specifically targeting American companies; European companies have been fined time and time again for shady practices as well. And, just to be pedantic - technically speaking, Apple itself (the American company) isn't paying these taxes; various European shell companies owned and created by Apple are.

Fourth, there's a distinct and clear public opinion in Europe - and in the US as well, see e.g. the rise and popularity of Bernie Sanders - that seemingly, laws do not seem to apply to the extremely rich and wealthy. The EU and various member state governments - including my own - are starting to adapt to public opinion, taking concrete steps to end these shady tax deals and tax avoidance schemes that allow large, wealthy companies to pay effectively little to no taxes, while us 'normal' people and small business owners pay our fair share.

The main sticking point here is that the EU wants to makes sure that merely being rich and large should not give a company undue benefits that competitors simply cannot compete against. Proper capitalism only works when there's a level playing field where competition is based on merit, and not on who can dangle the biggest sack of money in front of the Irish or Dutch governments.

Apple, in response, published a deeply American (i.e., overtly sappy tugging-at-the-heartstrings nonsense) and cringe-inducing open letter to European consumers, and, of course, the ruling will be appealed. I can't wait until Apple is brought to its knees and forced to pay the taxes it owes for participating in the EU single market and the use of our infrastructure.

Google, Amazon, Starbucks, and everyone else, wherever from - you're next.

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EU has no jurisdiction.
by DavidSan on Tue 30th Aug 2016 21:37 UTC
DavidSan
Member since:
2008-11-18

Apple has not dodge any tax.

This is basically capitalism. Ireland was in very bad shape economically in the past and they reduced taxes for corporations. In this way it became attractive for corporations to establish their European bases there. Plain and simple. This was no hidden secret; everybody knew that and it is the same in Dubai, Panama and many other places around the world. If you are not attractive enough for somebody, you try to make yourself attractive. Every teenager knows that.

The European Union cannot force a country to raise or lower taxes since they presumably are independent countries. This is the main problem with the "European Union" since they are taking attributions they do not hold. They are trying to create a "United States of Europe" with no uniform financial policy and very skew laws. Ordering Ireland to collect a tax they are not asking is madness, just like artificially having a strong Euro currency when half of the Europeans are jobless. EU is shooting in their foot over and over. No wonder why British politicians are so eager to leave the club.

I agree they can change tax policies for the future since Ireland situation is different these days, but nor Apple, nor any other corporation is responsible for taking advantage of laws created by governments to encourage international investment 20 years ago. This case is impossible to prosper, but if it happens, massive lay offs will come since no one will want to invest in Europe. Imagine: You could be exposing millions of dollars today because 20 years from now, a law could say that something legal today is retroactively illegal.

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RE: EU has no jurisdiction.
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 30th Aug 2016 23:13 in reply to "EU has no jurisdiction."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

The European Union cannot force a country to raise or lower taxes since they presumably are independent countries.


If EU member states violate the very EU law they themselves signed, the EU most definitely can force said member states into a whole bunch of things.

That's kind of the core tenet of the whole goddamn thing.

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by DavidSan on Wed 31st Aug 2016 08:26 in reply to "RE: EU has no jurisdiction."
RE: EU has no jurisdiction.
by Soulbender on Wed 31st Aug 2016 06:21 in reply to "EU has no jurisdiction."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Operating in a EU country means that the EU has jurisdiction. Imaging that, eh?

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