Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 30th Aug 2016 17:00 UTC
Apple

The European Commission has concluded that Ireland granted undue tax benefits of up to €13 billion to Apple. This is illegal under EU state aid rules, because it allowed Apple to pay substantially less tax than other businesses. Ireland must now recover the illegal aid.

That sound you hear? That's the sound of a house of cards tumbling down.

There's quite a lot of misinformation on the web about this whole thing. First and foremost, the crux of the matter here is that it's the EU's job to protect the internal market, and to ensure that there's a level playing field between its various member states, and it does this through a number of regulations, laws, and codes that member states must adhere to. Whether you, personally, agree with this goal or not is irrelevant; Ireland is part of the EU single market and signed the dotted line - and this comes with the responsibility of implementing, adhering to, and upholding said regulations, laws, and codes.

Second, the EU claims that the special deals the Irish government gave to Apple are a form of illegal state aid; something many other companies have been fined and punished for as well. It's just that with a company the size of Apple, and the extensiveness of the tax-lowering deal Ireland gave to Apple, the illegal state aid easily reaches monstrous proportions.

Third, this isn't some EU manhunt or vendetta specifically targeting American companies; European companies have been fined time and time again for shady practices as well. And, just to be pedantic - technically speaking, Apple itself (the American company) isn't paying these taxes; various European shell companies owned and created by Apple are.

Fourth, there's a distinct and clear public opinion in Europe - and in the US as well, see e.g. the rise and popularity of Bernie Sanders - that seemingly, laws do not seem to apply to the extremely rich and wealthy. The EU and various member state governments - including my own - are starting to adapt to public opinion, taking concrete steps to end these shady tax deals and tax avoidance schemes that allow large, wealthy companies to pay effectively little to no taxes, while us 'normal' people and small business owners pay our fair share.

The main sticking point here is that the EU wants to makes sure that merely being rich and large should not give a company undue benefits that competitors simply cannot compete against. Proper capitalism only works when there's a level playing field where competition is based on merit, and not on who can dangle the biggest sack of money in front of the Irish or Dutch governments.

Apple, in response, published a deeply American (i.e., overtly sappy tugging-at-the-heartstrings nonsense) and cringe-inducing open letter to European consumers, and, of course, the ruling will be appealed. I can't wait until Apple is brought to its knees and forced to pay the taxes it owes for participating in the EU single market and the use of our infrastructure.

Google, Amazon, Starbucks, and everyone else, wherever from - you're next.

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EU?...Ireland?
by codewrangler on Wed 31st Aug 2016 15:12 UTC
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2010-01-28

I guess I'm confused. Ireland is part of the United Kingdom (UK). The UK just voted to exit the EU (European Union). So, Ireland is no longer beholding to the EU.

What business is it of the EU, what deals they make with Apple? Am I missing something here?

Just confused...

Edited 2016-08-31 15:13 UTC

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RE: EU?...Ireland?
by zydeco on Wed 31st Aug 2016 15:24 in reply to "EU?...Ireland?"
zydeco Member since:
2009-01-09

Part of Ireland (now known as the Republic of Ireland) left the UK in 1922, and they both joined the EEC (precursor to the EU) in 1973.
While the UK have voted to leave the EU, they haven't started the procedure yet, it'll probably take years.

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RE: EU?...Ireland?
by segedunum on Thu 1st Sep 2016 09:16 in reply to "EU?...Ireland?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I guess I'm confused. Ireland is part of the United Kingdom (UK).

ROTFL. Errrrr, no.

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RE: EU?...Ireland?
by avgalen on Thu 1st Sep 2016 14:57 in reply to "EU?...Ireland?"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

I guess I'm confused. Ireland is part of the United Kingdom (UK). The UK just voted to exit the EU (European Union). So, Ireland is no longer beholding to the EU.

What business is it of the EU, what deals they make with Apple? Am I missing something here?

Just confused...

1. Only a small part of Ireland is part of the UK: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Ireland_United_K...
2. The UK hasn't left the EU yet. Technically they haven't even started leaving the EU, they are just mouthing of the EU until they actually start the procedure.
3. So Ireland is still totally beholding to the EU
4. This has nothing to do with what deals Ireland makes with Apple, but everything with what deals Ireland made with Apple. Leaving the EU today doesn't change what you agreed to in the past!

I haven't looked into the specifics of this case, but it looks like this is between the EU and Ireland. Of course for Ireland this will be between them and Apple

Question: Your real name is listed as "Michael McEuin". Do you live in the UK or Ireland?

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