Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 1st Sep 2016 22:42 UTC
Apple

Matt Gardner, the director of the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, took a look at Tim Cook's terrible letter to EU consumers regarding Apple's tax evasion, and pretty much tears it to shreds.

Apple created a complicated web of subsidiaries to avoid taxes, and the Irish government allowed it. Both the company and the country were complicit in this agreement. The idea that Ireland gave Apple guidance on "how to comply correctly with Irish tax law" makes both parties sound less guilty than they are. A better characterization would be that Apple cooked up a tax-dodging scheme, and Ireland allowed it.

Further along, Gardner actually opens up a major can of worms, arguing that either Apple provided false figures in its annual report, or Tim Cook is lying in his letter to EU consumers:

It doesn't appear to be even remotely truthful based on the numbers they publish in their annual reports. Each year they report that the majority of their profits are earned outside the U.S., with roughly a third (on average, over the past five years) coming from the U.S. When you look at the 10K, the annual report for 2015, you see the company reports earnings of $72 billion worldwide, and just one third of those profits are attributed to the U.S. And yet Cook's statement says that the vast majority of their income is taxed in the U.S.

We think that is a very low estimate. It certainly appears that the company is shifting profits out of the U.S. and into tax havens overseas. So one of these things must not be true: Either the numbers presented to shareholders in their annual report are false, or Tim Cook's new statement that the majority of its profits are taxed in the U.S is false. They both can't be true.

That's a bold claim to make, but it's hard, if not impossible, to argue with Gardner on this one. Since it's incredibly unlikely Apple is falsifying its annual reports, the most logical conclusion is that Tim Cook is lying in the open letter.

Tim - if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

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Through the eye of the loophole
by atsureki on Fri 2nd Sep 2016 17:10 UTC
atsureki
Member since:
2006-03-12

So one of these things must not be true: Either the numbers presented to shareholders in their annual report are false, or Tim Cook's new statement that the majority of its profits are taxed in the U.S is false. They both can't be true.


False. The U.S. taxes overseas corporate profits, minus a credit for taxes already paid to those overseas governments. So it is both true that the majority of Apple's revenue originates overseas and that the majority of Apple's revenue is taxed in the U.S. (at a lower rate than it would have been had it originated in the U.S.)

It is also true that Apple uses, ahem, creative accounting to record their revenue wherever tax rates will be lowest, and that they leave excess profits overseas for excessive time periods so that the Fed doesn't come in and scoop up the difference. None of this is illegal.

Like Tim Cook said, "[The order] is effectively proposing to replace Irish tax laws with a view of what the Commission thinks the law should have been." Obviously the EU objects to Ireland helping big corpos avoid Continental tax rates, but a) Ireland benefits massively from the arrangement and will actively resist any threat to it, and b) the charge that Ireland specifically colluded with Apple is so far unsupported and probably complete fiction. Their status as a tax shelter is will known.

If the EU can convince or compel Ireland to change the way the game is played, we'll live in a more honest world. But if the EU can apply a new law retroactively (yes, even against a corporation that did something distasteful), it can't pretend to belong to the free world.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

But if the EU can apply a new law retroactively


Good thing, then, that the EU isn't trying to do this. I have no idea why you still spread this nonsense, since by now, everybody who can read knows this isn't about applying any new law as Tim Cook tells in his lying letter, but a mere case of enforcing long-standing legislation banning state aid.

Legislation, I might add, which has been enforced in entirely similar fashion before countless times - including against The Netherlands and Starbucks, despite Tim Cook's lies to the contrary.

No matter how many times you tell a lie, even if you're just repeating Tim Cook's lie, doesn't make it any less of a lie.

Edited 2016-09-02 17:42 UTC

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atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

Good thing, then, that the EU isn't trying to do this. I have no idea why you still spread this nonsense, since by now, everybody who can read knows this isn't about applying any new law as Tim Cook tells in his lying letter, but a mere case of enforcing long-standing legislation banning state aid.


Me:
the charge that Ireland specifically colluded with Apple is so far unsupported and probably complete fiction.


The Commission is invoking a law that doesn't apply in order to get the effect of a law that doesn't exist.

When the EU says Ireland provided state aid to Apple, they are lying. When Tim Cook says the EU is trying to apply what they wish Irish law had been, he is hitting the nail on the head.

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