Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 2nd Nov 2016 23:41 UTC
Apple

The first reviews of the new MacBook Pro are in. Note that this only concerns the base 13"model, which does not come with the new Touch Bar.

The Verge concludes:

While the display, build quality, and looks of the new MacBook Pro are beyond reproach, they're no longer beyond the competition. Lenovo's ThinkPad X1 Yoga has a spectacular OLED display. Dell's XPS 13 has great battery life and design. HP's EliteBook Folio has a hinge that folds out to a full 180 degrees, whereas Apple s laptops have always been limited to opening to a little bit beyond vertical. Razer's Blade Stealth has a 4K touchscreen, Thunderbolt 3, and the latest seventh-gen Intel processors, whereas Apple is still using sixth-gen chips. Why does any of that matter? It matters because this new MacBook Pro's compromises are large enough to make me, a loyal and satisfied MacBook user for seven years, look outside the cozy confines of Apple's ecosystem. Apple has built a beautiful computer with all the upgrades I wanted, but it's taken away things that I actually need, and now I'm looking elsewhere.

And Ars Technica:

Putting aside larger concerns about Apple's stewardship of the Mac as a hardware and software platform, the new MacBook Pro is a very solid design that should serve Apple well over the next few years. Some pros will claim that it isn't "pro" enough, but the 13-inch models have always served as more of a bridge between the consumer MacBooks and MacBook Airs on the low end and the 15-inch Pros and the desktop lineup on the high end. They've never been particularly "pro."

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RE[2]: shameful keyboard design
by mmrezaie on Thu 3rd Nov 2016 09:20 UTC in reply to "RE: shameful keyboard design"
mmrezaie
Member since:
2006-05-09

Yes. if you mean the Macbook! Two of my colleges have it and I hated the keyboard. As someone who types a lot, I felt that this is at best an ipad keyboard replacement. You will never get the satisfaction you get from thinkpad or (now) old macbook pros.

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FooBat Member since:
2016-09-08

+1000
Cannot agree more. Modern Apple keyboards are horrible, while the crown of the best laptop keyboard is still with old IBM ThinkPads, like ThinkPad x41...

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puenktchen Member since:
2007-07-27

I read that the new MBP keyboard is firmer and has a bit more travel than the MB so it might make a difference.

And when Apple changed it's laptops to the chiclet keyboard some years ago everyone was complaining too but most actually did like the new keyboard after some time. So I'm not sure if trying it occasionally really gives you the right impression. Do your colleagues hate it too?

Edited 2016-11-03 12:33 UTC

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mmrezaie Member since:
2006-05-09

Do your colleagues hate it too?

Yes, since couple of us were waiting to see what we are getting, and as long time apple buyer my only problem why I cannot commit to these new ones is the keyboard. It is a shame since for the rest of the changes I like what they have done. But no, that's not going to be a working keyboard for me. I spend too much time on the machine.

Oh, I just asked and the current owners in my department are using external keyboards whenever they are at their desk. That's an option if you only consume when laptop is on your lap and work when at desk. This seems more reasonable, but doesn't fix what is in my opinion a flaw for a pro machine.

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dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

Chiclet keyboards are 'pretender' hardware. Full Stop.

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ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

I agree on that the Apple keyboards are a total disaster, but the old macbook pro keyboard is also questionable.

I had a mbp 2010 and its keyboard two years later felt too old and used. I am a heavy typist and coder, but that is not excuse, durability is what Pro means too.

So, I use an external mechanical keyboard right now as much as I can.

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joekiser Member since:
2005-06-30

I like the new MacBook Retina keyboard. It has a nice hollow sound behind each keystroke that audibly reminds me of an old blue Alps-style switch. The tactile feel is pretty good. I understand this is the keyboard that is going in the new MacBook Pros.

Obviously the key travel is shorter, but the MacBook Retina is also designed to be a netbook replacement, and thinness/portability is king in this segment. It is an improvement over old MacBook keyboards.

My main desktop still has the space saver Model M from the late 80's - early 90's. I found a whole stack by the dump when I was a kid and took them home over several trips. I have tried modern Cherry MX key switches but it just doesn't feel as good as the Model M and the Cherry will be on eBay shortly. I never tried the Northgate Omnikey which is supposedly the keyboard that rivalled the Model M's back in the day.

Never liked the new Thinkpad keyboard layout. It shows wear too fast and what Lenovo gave up (seven row with traditional Home/Insert block) doesn't make up for what I believe is superior keyfeel of the new chiclet keys over past designs. If Lenovo makes a new keyboard with the traditional layout, it will be the laptop king.

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DREVILl30564 Member since:
2008-04-18

If you are a fan of the IBM Model M style keyboards this company purchased the patents for it from IBM (or possibly Lenovo after they bought IBM) and are making and selling them now.

http://www.pckeyboard.com/

My wife bought me one of the USB Ultra Classics 2 years ago for my Christmas present. Best Christmas present ever!

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