Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 23rd Nov 2016 15:53 UTC
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The UK is about to become one of the world's foremost surveillance states, allowing its police and intelligence agencies to spy on its own people to a degree that is unprecedented for a democracy. The UN's privacy chief has called the situation "worse than scary." Edward Snowden says it’s simply "the most extreme surveillance in the history of western democracy."

The legislation in question is called the Investigatory Powers Bill. It's been cleared by politicians and awaits only the formality of royal assent before it becomes law. The bill will legalize the UK's global surveillance program, which scoops up communications data from around the world, but it will also introduce new domestic powers, including a government database that stores the web history of every citizen in the country. UK spies will be empowered to hack individuals, internet infrastructure, and even whole towns - if the government deems it necessary.

"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame?"

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rom508
Member since:
2007-04-20

You are the one who is an idiot! I live in the UK, not China and I trust the UK government to implement their surveillance policy properly and not to abuse it, hence why people vote for a particular government and their policies. If I had my way, I'd use surveillance and anything else to catch and lock up as many criminal parasites as possible.

When the government is unable to control its country borders, or deport foreign criminals and terrorists because this would violate their democracy or human rights, then there is something seriously wrong with our society. This is why many British people voted Brexit, they want their government to serve their people, instead of being told by the EU bureaucrats what they can and can't do.

Make Great Britain great again!

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kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

You are the one who is an idiot! I live in the UK, not China and I trust the UK government to implement their surveillance policy properly and not to abuse it,


And how long can you trust it for? You already said you're okay if they started turning the surveillance onto things which has nothing to do with terrorism. How far will you be okay with it slipping?

You say you live in the UK. Not with mass surveillance you're not. How much can you strip away before UK becomes China-lite, idiot?

If I had my way, I'd use surveillance and anything else to catch and lock up as many criminal parasites as possible.


That's the same reasoning used by the Chinese government.

When the government is unable to control its country borders, or deport foreign criminals and terrorists because this would violate their democracy or human rights, then there is something seriously wrong with our society.


What has this got to do with mass surveillance? You are one of those raving lunatics that goes off tangent when they start losing.

This is why many British people voted Brexit, they want their government to serve their people, instead of being told by the EU bureaucrats what they can and can't do.


So instead of the EU, you want the UK bureaucrats to tell you what you can and can't do.

Make Great Britain great again!


Make Great Britain great by doing what the terrorists want you to do? Is that your idea of greatness? Remember when the IRA was terrorising England? People admired the British stiff upper lip. And now, you've traded that for cowering in the corner afraid of shadows. You're not great. You're a fucking child.

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rom508 Member since:
2007-04-20

I'm not going to be rude to you, all I can say is that people who have very liberal views on certain things ( no surveillance of any kind, human rights act for criminals, uncontrolled immigration) have a tendency to undermine our way of life and endanger people's lives by making the UK and Europe a soft target for various criminals.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Make Great Britain great again!


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/23/1603405/-Here-s-Adolph-Hit...

I wonder what Churchill would think of the current state of the UK. Pretty sure he would find it a twisted abomination of its former ideals.

Edited 2016-11-24 12:23 UTC

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rom508 Member since:
2007-04-20

What's your point? Just because me or Donald Trump used a vaguely similar phrase to what Hitler used in the past, does not mean we support Hitler's ideology or admire him in any way. You can make all kinds of assumptions about people, but most people in the UK who voted Brexit are not racists, quite the opposite, they are very tolerant and welcoming people. There is nothing racist about having full control of your country borders and not taking orders from Brussels, but being in control of your own destiny and making your own decisions on important policies.

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daveak Member since:
2008-12-29

You trust the government (of whatever party) who constantly avoid telling the truth and will switch their position on a whim in order to stay in power?

You trust every individual who will have access to all this data without a warrant being required? Hint, it is not just the police or spy agencies. The police have been found abusing their access to the vast amounts of data they already had, why do you think this will change?

You trust the ability of all involved to secure this data from hackers who will attempt to blackmail people?

Edited 2016-11-24 19:40 UTC

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