Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 1st Dec 2016 20:41 UTC
Oracle and SUN

There's a rumour going around that Oracle is close to ending all development of Solaris, effectively killing the operating system.

Solaris being canned, at least 50% of teams to be RIF'd in short term. All hands meetings being cancelled on orders from legal to prevent news from spreading. Hardware teams being told to cease development. There will be no Solaris 12, final release will be 11.4. Orders coming straight from Larry.

It's just rumours for now, but they've been gaining steam over the past few days.

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sergio
Member since:
2005-07-06

Some months ago I mentioned how bad and unstable Solaris was becoming... the amount of bugs We suffered in Solaris 11 prod environments was HUGE compared to Solaris tradition, very very nasty storage related bugs... and the Oracle attitude regarding them was so strange, almost "Ok, yeah, it's a bug, I don't give a shit, thanks". Now, It's very clear why that happened: Oracle was stopping Solaris development, reducing teams and so on. Result: crappy software.

But the thing is... Solaris is the only enterprise OS available for SPARC... if they kill Solaris... what OS Oracle will sell with SPARC iron? Unbreakable Linux for SPARC?! I don't think so...

So... If they kill Solaris, they will have to kill SPARC too. And if Oracle kill Solaris and SPARC... and they don't give a shit about Java anymore... why the hell they bought Sun in the first place?!? To keep Sun's tech/IPs away from IBM?? To keep Sun's tech/IPs away from Apple??

What was the fucking point? Oracle ruined the best IT company ever created for nothing.

Larry Ellison, I hate you bitch! xD

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ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

I'm always reminded of this bit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc#t=2000

"Don't anthropomorphize Larry Ellison"

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FlyingJester Member since:
2016-05-11

Except that Oracle has not been giving UltraSparc much love. Since they bought Sun, Fujitsu became the main supplier of Sparc systems. However, they recently announced there next HPC systems would use ARM instead of UltraSparc.

If the main producer of UltraSparc systems is throwing in the towel, it's not too tough to imagine what will happen to the main OS for UltraSparc.

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memyselfandi Member since:
2016-12-02

Since Oracle acquired Sun, all SPARC developments at Oracle are 100% Oracle. Fujitsu has their own SPARC development team. Yes, there is a lot of co-engineering to make certain a high level of compatibility, and Oracle resells Fujitsu systems outside of Japan but the two have very independent engineering teams. Since Oracle acquired Sun, they've introduced 7 new SPARC processors in 6 years. The latest SPARC M7 is currently leading all the world record benchmarks and even the next gen Intel and Power CPU's still wont beat it. At over 10Billion transistors, 32-cores and integrated Software in Silicon and Silicon Secured Memory there is nothing in the industry that comes close.

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shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

Larry must be buying a country. Yachts are not where it is at now.

Seriously,
I drive past the old SUN HQ in the UK almost every day.
They had a lot of really good engineers who cared about the stuff they sold. That all changed when Oracle took over.
This seems to mirror the HP takeover of Compaq/DEC. Soon all those of us who cared where shown the door.
A huge case of NIH perhaps?

The Sun kit could never return the margins that Oracle gets on their software.
AFAIK, Oracle stopped making he patches for Solaris available unless you had a paid support contract. That for my boss at the time was the writing on the wall. I still have the last of our servers from that time in my Garage. It is going to re-cycling next week.
The end of an era. Ellison will be remembered by many of us for all the wrong things.
Lastly, I hope your boat gets thrashed in the America's Cup.

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d3vi1 Member since:
2006-01-28

Seriously,
I drive past the old SUN HQ in the UK almost every day.
They had a lot of really good engineers who cared about the stuff they sold. That all changed when Oracle took over.
This seems to mirror the HP takeover of Compaq/DEC. Soon all those of us who cared where shown the door.
A huge case of NIH perhaps?


The engineers from the UK are now retiring and Romania is taking over instead. The ZFS team that had 4 engineers in the UK and another 16 spread all over Europe is being replaced with 20+ engineers in Bucharest.

The Sun kit could never return the margins that Oracle gets on their software.


Think engineered systems. All the margins come from support contracts. I have two Exadata systems in the pipeline a just one of our customers over here has 500+ systems.

AFAIK, Oracle stopped making he patches for Solaris available unless you had a paid support contract. That for my boss at the time was the writing on the wall.


How is that different from the way Red Hat or HP do business? You can download Solaris for free, you get updates for free (pkg.oracle.com), but for more, you need a support contract. Same with AIX, RHEL, etc., except for the free download and updates.

The patch thing is true only for legacy Solaris releases (Solaris 8-10). For current release (Solaris 11), you get the updated packages at any time.

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sergio Member since:
2005-07-06


I drive past the old SUN HQ in the UK almost every day.
They had a lot of really good engineers who cared about the stuff they sold. That all changed when Oracle took over.


Sun had the best engineers in the world because that was the company culture.

Oracle changed that incredible, innovative and unique culture for the standard and mediocre "don't give a shit" culture that every other big IT company in the world have (not only Oracle, all of them).

I've been working as Unix administrator for the last 16 years and I had the opportunity to solve an infinite amount problems with the help of Sun support engineers... they took their jobs with a passion I've never seen in other IT companies. Let me give you an example: one time, 10 years ago, a german Sun engineer sent emails to my personal address weeks after a big problem We had with a Solaris bug to know if I needed more help and how everything went...

They didn't want to close a "ticket" in a queue... they actually wanted to find the root cause and solve the problem!!

I know that might sound stupid... and maybe that level of involvement is usual in other businesses or in the scientific world I don't know... but in the IT business that's just incredible.

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dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

;) Also scaring... Such Is the Power of the Modern Framing of that euphemistic -'World Order'.

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kurkosdr Member since:
2011-04-11

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So... If they kill Solaris, they will have to kill SPARC too. And if Oracle kill Solaris and SPARC... and they don't give a shit about Java anymore... why the hell they bought Sun in the first place?!?


Answer: To destroy MySQL (because Oracle is a vendor of a proprietary and rather expensive DB).

Most people forget that Sun Microsystems was sponsoring the development of FOSS projects like OpenOffice, VirtualBox and MySQL (among others) quite well. MySQL, in particular, had evolved to the point it was starting to encroach into the lower-tiers of what used to be the domain of Oracle's DB products.

Sure, the community will fork, but they won't have the support in terms of full-time professional devs working on the projects on a regular basis that Sun used to provide, maybe except for the case of LibreOffice. Thus, getting rid of the problem known as "the constantly improving MySQL is encroaching into our turf" was enough justification for Larry to buy Sun. Going with the vertical integration thing was always a secondary "maybe it can work" objective.

PS: I always laughed at tech writers trying to see any other real goal in the Nokia takeover and the Sun takeover beyond the obvious one: Hostile takeover. Oracle bought Sun to stop them from sponsoring MySQL development, MS bought Nokia to stop them from joining the greenbot camp and to stop MeeGo smartphones and tablets from appearing on shelves.

Edited 2016-12-02 14:31 UTC

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jpkx1984 Member since:
2015-01-06

Was MySQL really a serious contender? Last time I checked MySQL was an entry-level DB, for small projects, not really in the same ballpark as Oracle (aimed at larger corporate users). It was also sub-par in features when compared to PostgreSQL - another open-source DB.

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