Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 1st Dec 2016 20:41 UTC
Oracle and SUN

There's a rumour going around that Oracle is close to ending all development of Solaris, effectively killing the operating system.

Solaris being canned, at least 50% of teams to be RIF'd in short term. All hands meetings being cancelled on orders from legal to prevent news from spreading. Hardware teams being told to cease development. There will be no Solaris 12, final release will be 11.4. Orders coming straight from Larry.

It's just rumours for now, but they've been gaining steam over the past few days.

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shotsman
Member since:
2005-07-22

Larry must be buying a country. Yachts are not where it is at now.

Seriously,
I drive past the old SUN HQ in the UK almost every day.
They had a lot of really good engineers who cared about the stuff they sold. That all changed when Oracle took over.
This seems to mirror the HP takeover of Compaq/DEC. Soon all those of us who cared where shown the door.
A huge case of NIH perhaps?

The Sun kit could never return the margins that Oracle gets on their software.
AFAIK, Oracle stopped making he patches for Solaris available unless you had a paid support contract. That for my boss at the time was the writing on the wall. I still have the last of our servers from that time in my Garage. It is going to re-cycling next week.
The end of an era. Ellison will be remembered by many of us for all the wrong things.
Lastly, I hope your boat gets thrashed in the America's Cup.

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d3vi1 Member since:
2006-01-28

Seriously,
I drive past the old SUN HQ in the UK almost every day.
They had a lot of really good engineers who cared about the stuff they sold. That all changed when Oracle took over.
This seems to mirror the HP takeover of Compaq/DEC. Soon all those of us who cared where shown the door.
A huge case of NIH perhaps?


The engineers from the UK are now retiring and Romania is taking over instead. The ZFS team that had 4 engineers in the UK and another 16 spread all over Europe is being replaced with 20+ engineers in Bucharest.

The Sun kit could never return the margins that Oracle gets on their software.


Think engineered systems. All the margins come from support contracts. I have two Exadata systems in the pipeline a just one of our customers over here has 500+ systems.

AFAIK, Oracle stopped making he patches for Solaris available unless you had a paid support contract. That for my boss at the time was the writing on the wall.


How is that different from the way Red Hat or HP do business? You can download Solaris for free, you get updates for free (pkg.oracle.com), but for more, you need a support contract. Same with AIX, RHEL, etc., except for the free download and updates.

The patch thing is true only for legacy Solaris releases (Solaris 8-10). For current release (Solaris 11), you get the updated packages at any time.

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sergio Member since:
2005-07-06


I drive past the old SUN HQ in the UK almost every day.
They had a lot of really good engineers who cared about the stuff they sold. That all changed when Oracle took over.


Sun had the best engineers in the world because that was the company culture.

Oracle changed that incredible, innovative and unique culture for the standard and mediocre "don't give a shit" culture that every other big IT company in the world have (not only Oracle, all of them).

I've been working as Unix administrator for the last 16 years and I had the opportunity to solve an infinite amount problems with the help of Sun support engineers... they took their jobs with a passion I've never seen in other IT companies. Let me give you an example: one time, 10 years ago, a german Sun engineer sent emails to my personal address weeks after a big problem We had with a Solaris bug to know if I needed more help and how everything went...

They didn't want to close a "ticket" in a queue... they actually wanted to find the root cause and solve the problem!!

I know that might sound stupid... and maybe that level of involvement is usual in other businesses or in the scientific world I don't know... but in the IT business that's just incredible.

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dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

;) Also scaring... Such Is the Power of the Modern Framing of that euphemistic -'World Order'.

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