Linked by joekiser on Fri 3rd Mar 2017 22:24 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones

So I'd like to tell you my version of the story of Firefox OS, from the birth of the Boot to Gecko open source software project as a mailing list post and an empty GitHub repository in 2011, through its commercial launch as the Firefox OS mobile operating system, right up until the "transition" of millions of lines of code to the community in 2016.

During this five year journey hundreds of members of the wider Mozilla community came together with a shared vision to disrupt the app ecosystem with the power of the open web. I'd like to reflect on our successes, our failures and the lessons we can learn from the experience of taking an open source browser based mobile operating system to market.

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RE: It's depressing
by daveak on Sat 4th Mar 2017 19:14 UTC in reply to "It's depressing"
daveak
Member since:
2008-12-29

It doesn't matter which phone OS you choose, it isn't cleaar what they do with you on your phone.
What does Apple or Google or any 3rd party monitor about you? Every bloody app wants the sun and the moon in privileges and I have NO idea what is phoned home to whatever party.

Most people have accepted this, but I certainly haven't.


Apple or Google, yes. 3rd party? They cannot monitor what you don't give them access to (unless they have some secret deal with Apple/Google or are exploiting a security hole). I'm guessing every app wanting all privileges is an Android thing. It isn't something I'm familiar with on iOS. Just deny access to things they don't need.

The problem here is as you say, people don't seem to care, but that isn't so much an mobile OS thing, they also don't care about Facebook or Gmail, or Snapchat, or Instagram etc. etc. gathering every detail about the users they can.

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RE[2]: It's depressing
by stormcrow on Sat 4th Mar 2017 21:12 in reply to "RE: It's depressing"
stormcrow Member since:
2015-03-10

"Apple or Google, yes. 3rd party? They cannot monitor what you don't give them access to (unless they have some secret deal with Apple/Google or are exploiting a security hole)."

Not really true. On mobile, as a general rule, the cell company can monitor every thing you do, use, and communicate with unless you're using strong end to end encryption they can't MitM. Not only can they, they regularly do so, at least in the US and probably most of the rest of the world as well.

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RE[3]: It's depressing
by daveak on Sun 5th Mar 2017 00:00 in reply to "RE[2]: It's depressing"
daveak Member since:
2008-12-29

"Apple or Google, yes. 3rd party? They cannot monitor what you don't give them access to (unless they have some secret deal with Apple/Google or are exploiting a security hole)."

Not really true. On mobile, as a general rule, the cell company can monitor every thing you do, use, and communicate with unless you're using strong end to end encryption they can't MitM. Not only can they, they regularly do so, at least in the US and probably most of the rest of the world as well.


Cell company can only monitor anything that goes over their network. A cell company is also not a third party with regards to software, at least not on an iPhone where Apple do not allow them to install crapware. They cannot MitM anything on an iPhone, so yet again, just like the poster I replied to with regards to apps requesting all permissions, you are talking about an Android problem.

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RE[2]: It's depressing
by Wondercool on Mon 6th Mar 2017 00:11 in reply to "RE: It's depressing"
Wondercool Member since:
2005-07-08

This is the problem. I truly don't know who knows what.
All the legalese is incredibly vague.

So does Google know all the apps I have and which ones I use? (YES i think). Do they know I comment on FB and I upload pics? YES.

Most individual apps use some advertising provider. there are only about 3 or 4 so if you use several apps, they are likely to know.

Do they know I am not a Trump supporter because don't watch Breitbart or Fox? YES. Google can single handedly change society by not showing certain search results and we wouldn't even know it!! The fact that about 5 different companies know what you do, where you are and what you are worth is RIDICULOUS AND DANGEROUS.


But this is already a station too far for me anyway. PLEASE let me pay the full sum for the software and NO bloody stats/spying please. Especially not from companies who's whole business is you...

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