Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 17th Mar 2017 22:48 UTC

Realistically, nobody should have expected Ryzen to be king of the hill when it comes to gaming. We know that Broadwell isn't, after all; Intel's Skylake and Kaby Lake parts both beat Broadwell in a wide range of games. This is the case even though Skylake and Kaby Lake are limited to four cores and eight threads; for many or most games, high IPC and high clock speeds are the key to top performance, and that's precisely what Kaby Lake delivers.

In spite of this, reading the various reviews around the Web - and comment threads, tweets, and reddit posts - one gets the feeling that many were hoping or expecting Ryzen to somehow beat Intel across the board, and there's a prevailing narrative that Ryzen is in some sense a bad gaming chip. But this argument is often paired with the claim that some kind of non-specific "optimization" is going to salvage the processor's performance, that AMD fans just need to keep the faith for a few months, and that soon Ryzen's full power will be revealed.

Both parts of this reaction are more than a little flawed.

I'm just glad there's finally competition in the desktop processor space again. Intel started to charge some outrageous prices these past few years, but if you wanted the best performance, you really didn't have much of a choice.

With Ryzen, AMD is showing the world it's back on track. It might not be there yet in every aspect, but it's an amazingly promising start.

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It doesnt matter one whit
by jnemesh on Fri 17th Mar 2017 23:57 UTC
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When the CPU you are comparing to is TWICE the price and the performance delta is usually only a few frames per second, no one but the "hardcore" gamers are going to care. Everyone else will buy the less expensive product (which is SUPERIOR in many situations!) and be happy.

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RE: It doesnt matter one whit
by osvil on Sat 18th Mar 2017 00:28 in reply to "It doesnt matter one whit"
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Experience says that, even in the case of Ryzen being way better at gaming than the Intel chip, Intel will be able to sell more chips than AMD because of brand image.

It happened back when AMD Athlon was a way better option than the P4 Intel was making and *many* people just bought Intel because of brand image.

In any case, I am also very happy to see an AMD come-back. When things settle down I may build a nice Ryzen machine for myself. But then, focus won't be on gaming, but rather a multicore beast with quite a lot of memory if possible. Being able to have several VM around without even caring seems just great :p.

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RE: It doesnt matter one whit
by The123king on Sat 18th Mar 2017 00:38 in reply to "It doesnt matter one whit"
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This. For performance per buck, AMD wins hands down, but that doesn't mean that Intel's chips are bad. They're just aimed at different markets. If you need the performance whatever the cost, then Intel is for you, if you're budget conscious, go AMD

I don't think It'll be on the desktop where AMD wins the fight, i think that's still going to be dominated by Intel, with only budget manufacturers switching to AMD. No, i believe AMD is aimed squarely at the datacentre and server market. I also think you'll see Naples (AMD's server chips) dominating the TOP500 soon

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This. For performance per buck, AMD wins hands down

Except for gaming, which was mentioned elsewhere in the linked article. I'm not knocking Ryzen, it seems to me to be a shockingly good CPU from what I have seen so far. However, if you are a gamer and your measure of performance is how fast your games run, Intel wins hands down. A 7700k outperforms a Ryzen 1800x easily in almost every gaming benchmark and does it for $150 less...

Sure, if you have something that can really take advantage of 8 cores, $500 is a great deal compared to Intel's 8 core CPUs ($1000+) - no argument. Thing is, very few games do that...

I'm just saying, if all you care about is gaming than Ryzen is actually NOT a great deal - it is slower, it cost more, and it has all the little teething issues that brand new platforms always have. Its still a good CPU, it will stomp a 7700k on lots of workloads, but gaming isn't really one of them (yet).

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