Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 23rd Nov 2005 18:54 UTC
GTK+ The GIMP toolkit (GTK+) matures to include yet another platform. This project aims to bring native GTK+ support to the Apple Mac OS X platform. The basic implementation is sponsored by Imendio AB and the work so far has been done by Anders Carlsson (of Imendio).
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RE: Why will they succeed
by segedunum on Thu 24th Nov 2005 15:04 UTC in reply to "Why will they succeed"
segedunum
Member since:
2005-07-06

4.)They are a great bunch of people with a good business model.

Well:

Imendio has invested approximately $25000 to date and are aiming to continue to support this open project.

This has been tried by many companies, including Eazel and Ximian in the past, and they simply haven't survived. They've got bogged down by their attachment to the software and religious arguments than they have by their attachment to staying in business.

Other factors that
have made GTK+ successful include:

* The licensing model (LGPL)


I never fail to be amazed by these companies that will blow money they haven't got on this stuff in order to allow others to develop everything for free. There must be some extremely well hidden revenue stream I'm not seeing here....... Creating a cross platform technology that works well on even one platform takes a lot of focused time and effort.

Of course sensible businesses out there buy a cross-platform toolkit that actually works today, save themselves up to $20,000+ (and more - that's an open-ended figure there) and actually write applications that are useful to people that they can sell and will keep them in business. But, you know.....

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RE[2]: Why will they succeed
by g2devi on Thu 24th Nov 2005 17:17 in reply to "RE: Why will they succeed"
g2devi Member since:
2005-07-09

> This has been tried by many companies, including
> Eazel and Ximian in the past, and they simply haven't
> survived.

Eazel failed because they had no business plan, pure and simple. They just kept writing software long before they decided what they would do, then tried to fit their services around their invention. That's a backwards way to go about it and fails no matter what you're selling.

As for Ximian, they did quite well and got several contracts. They did so well in fact that Novell bought them up.

BTW, you fail to see the connection of

> 4.)They are a great bunch of people with a good business model. Imendio has invested approximately
> $25000 to date and are aiming to continue to support
> this open project.

and

> Other factors that have made GTK+ successful include:
> * The licensing model (LGPL)

These two are hugely related. Hans Reiser contributes to the Linux kernel because he can sell proprietary modules based off of the Reiser file system. Codeweavers has a similar model as does Transgaming. The LGPL gives them the flexibility to create a sustainable business model.

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RE[3]: Why will they succeed
by segedunum on Thu 24th Nov 2005 23:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Why will they succeed"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

As for Ximian, they did quite well and got several contracts. They did so well in fact that Novell bought them up.

They got sold because their VCs needed to get them sold.

Hans Reiser contributes to the Linux kernel because he can sell proprietary modules based off of the Reiser file system.

What's that got to do with the LGPL? The LGPL doesn't make that happen - quite the opposite.

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RE[2]: Why will they succeed
by miguel on Thu 24th Nov 2005 18:13 in reply to "RE: Why will they succeed"
miguel Member since:
2005-07-27

Ah, more non-sense from "segedunum".


This has been tried by many companies, including Eazel and Ximian in the past, and they simply haven't survived. They've got bogged down by their attachment to the software and religious arguments than they have by their attachment to staying in business.


Ximian did survive just fine until the day it got acquired by Novell. Ximian unlike most other companies during the boom did not spend its money left and right. We had the mentaility of not spending more money than we needed to.

But as usual for segendum, he lives in his own world. His reality is made up of his own stories that he spices up over time. Up to the point where his own arguments start making sense to him.

In reality, we have him commenting on a Gnome story because he feels that anything that helps Gnome (Mono, Gtk being cross platform, Tango) is a threat to his way of life.

It must be difficult living in fear. Thats why am extending a friendly hand to segedunum to bring him to a happy place, a safe place. A place where he can continue to use his tools, and yet, through the miracle of love he might accept that others can be quite excited. A world where ruining someone else's party is no longer amusing.

That being said (segedunum, please close your eyes now, am talking to the rest, you dont have to read what follows), segedunum reminds me of Dwight from "The Office" in the American edition.

Check out his blog, and tell me if he is not *identical*:

http://blogs.nbc.com/office/

Or the "Comic Book Guy" in the Simpsons.

Ok, back to happy thoughts.


Miguel.

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v RE[3]: Why will they succeed
by on Thu 24th Nov 2005 19:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Why will they succeed"
RE[3]: Why will they succeed
by segedunum on Thu 24th Nov 2005 23:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Why will they succeed"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Ah, more non-sense from "segedunum".

Thanks for the confirmation ;-).

Ximian did survive just fine until the day it got acquired by Novell. Ximian unlike most other companies during the boom did not spend its money left and right. We had the mentaility of not spending more money than we needed to.

You're investors didn't agree - quite obviously ;-). Please don't try and pull the wool over my eyes, I know it when I see it and I call it like I see it.

The LGPL thing is dead - OK?

But as usual for segendum, he lives in his own world. His reality is made up of his own stories that he spices up over time. Up to the point where his own arguments start making sense to him.

Well it threatens you, hence this ;-). Quite what that means is anyone's guess - you haven't answered any of it I notice.

In reality, we have him commenting on a Gnome story because he feels that anything that helps Gnome (Mono, Gtk being cross platform, Tango) is a threat to his way of life.

Well, after five or six years of the same thing it's hardly a threat to whatever it is you think I claim to cherish ;-).

It must be difficult living in fear. Thats why am extending a friendly hand to segedunum............................................................. .............................else's party is no longer amusing.

That being said (segedunum, please close your eyes now, am talking to the rest, you dont have to read what follows), segedunum reminds me of Dwight from "The Office" in the American edition.


Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. It doesn't alter anything, nor does it answer the comment or any points I've made - does it? ;-).

Edited 2005-11-24 23:22

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RE[3]: Why will they succeed
by chekr on Fri 25th Nov 2005 05:45 in reply to "RE: Why will they succeed"
chekr Member since:
2005-11-05

Oh look just come out with it, you're a troll. Look there are positive ways of criticising, you obviously do not realise this. I disagree with Miguel on some of the issues surrounding Mono, these are personal concerns which obviously aren't an issue to Miguel. You don't see me making any personal attacks on this now do you.

Look Imendio are doing a great job insofar as I can tell, what concern is it to you if they wish to crash and burn whilst contributing to the success of GTK, are you an investor?

Obviously you have wet dreams about Trolltech, whatever tickles your carriage I guess, but why come here and post your nonsense?

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RE[4]: Why will they succeed
by segedunum on Fri 25th Nov 2005 14:01 in reply to "RE[3]: Why will they succeed"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Oh look just come out with it, you're a troll. Look there are positive ways of criticising, you obviously do not realise this.

No. I've fully explained why I've taken the views I have. The fact that some people obviosuly don't like them does not equal to being a troll I'm afraid.

these are personal concerns which obviously aren't an issue to Miguel. You don't see me making any personal attacks on this now do you.

They are certainly not personal attacks. They are issues brought up that are the way that they are, and I've explained why a lot of what has gone on simply has not been viable. You're making emotional comments without replying to my actual points.

Look Imendio are doing a great job insofar as I can tell, what concern is it to you if they wish to crash and burn whilst contributing to the success of GTK, are you an investor?

No, but after several years of the same stuff that hasn't worked you've got to ask at some point what is going to work. What will get open source desktop software through the barrier and get people using on a widespread basis? How do you fund the development you need?

Obviously you have wet dreams about Trolltech, whatever tickles your carriage I guess, but why come here and post your nonsense?

I've never mentioned Trolltech - please don't get emotionally carried away. It's simply a fact that companies that have got carried away with promoting the LGPL as a fantastic selling point end up spending vast sums of money, generate no income and go out of business. If open source software companies are going to be viable that has to change, plain and simple.

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