Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 11th May 2017 22:13 UTC
Windows

At Microsoft's Build conference, the company showed off the Windows Fall Creators Update. This update is going to bring a number of quite interesting things to Windows - such as a number of features that let you move between applications on Windows and iOS/Android, using Microsoft's Cortana application on those platforms.

For instance, you can share your clipboard with your mobile devices, and pick up where you left off reading articles or watching videos - yes, like Apple's Continuity, but cross-platform. There's also a timeline feature which allows you to scroll back in time to see what you were watching or reading or whatever days or weeks ago. All this will be available in the Cortana application on iOS and Android, too.

Microsoft also officially unveiled its new design language for Windows applications, Fluent Design System, replacing the Metro they're using now. To be honest, it's not really replacing Metro so much as expanding it, and I think the best way to describe it is "Material Design, now with lots of blur". Fluent Design is already making its way to current Windows versions and applications through the Windows Store, but much of what Microsoft showed off today in videos is still in the concept phase.

Additionally, Microsoft shed some light on its Windows-on-ARM plans, detailing how it allows x86 code on ARM processors. You will be able to run any x86 Windows application on Windows-on-ARM, both from the Windows Store and downloaded elsewhere. The technology is an extension of Windows on Windows, which is currently used to allow 32bit applications to run on 64bit Windows (WoW64) and was also used to allow 16bit applications to run on 32bit Windows (WOW).

Lastly, Microsoft unveiled that it's working with Apple to bring iTunes to the Windows Store as a UWP-packaged Win32 application. Autodesk and SAP will bring their applications to the Windows Store as well.

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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Thu 11th May 2017 23:47 UTC
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

Some serious internal struggles going on inside Microsoft.

How can you have one hand saying that Windows 10 S is the future, and then have the ARM team telling you can just go and download 7zip x86 so you can access some files and it all works automagically.

Is is just me or are both Microsoft and Apple experiencing some very pronounced Leader <-> Engineer rifts?

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by Drumhellar on Fri 12th May 2017 00:47 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

How can you have one hand saying that Windows 10 S is the future, and then have the ARM team telling you can just go and download 7zip x86 so you can access some files and it all works automagically.


I see no conflict. Windows 10 S isn't the future of Windows, it's a small part, a single SKU to target a market that Windows is losing out on.

The x86 is just a component of Windows, of any version - allowing your ARM laptop to run x86 apps under, say, Windows 10 Pro for ARM, or allowing Windows 10 S to run x86 apps from the app store.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Fri 12th May 2017 11:19 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

I see no conflict. Windows 10 S isn't the future of Windows, it's a small part, a single SKU to target a market that Windows is losing out on.


If you believe that then you must believe that Apple are at any-moment about to begin licencing of iOS for 3rd party manufacturers. -- It's nonsense.

Microsoft are putting Win10-S on their $1000 flagship device. It's clear they expect Win10-S to be seen and to be used by professionals.

Also, I came up with a better way to enunciate my point -- the engineers are giving you more functionality, whilst the leaders are planning to take it away! Look at Microsoft's own projects -- VSCode is not an app-store app; heck, they're a year or more away from even achieving that with their current set-up.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by avgalen on Tue 16th May 2017 08:49 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

How can you have one hand saying that Windows 10 S is the future, and then have the ARM team telling you can just go and download 7zip x86 so you can access some files and it all works automagically.

Is is just me or are both Microsoft and Apple experiencing some very pronounced Leader Engineer rifts?

I haven't heard anyone from Microsoft saying that Windows 10 S is the future. Tech Reporters have surely said that and they might be correct. But Microsoft is way to big to focus on 1 type of user. So they make "S" for the K12 education market while also keeping all the other SKU's available. This is called CHOICE and is generally considered a good thing.

ARM is now also getting up to performance levels that are good enough for modern PC's, so Microsoft is going to provide SKU's that run on ARM but can still run x86 programs. Again, they will also keep all the other SKU's available, so again they will provide more CHOICE.

Is this easy for consumers to understand? No
Is this paving "the one road" to the future? No
Does this give users better options? Yes, and that is what the New Microsoft is all about: Giving everyone tools that allow them to work they way that suits them best.

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