Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 24th May 2017 19:59 UTC

A week after introducing the Surface Laptop to the world, he's sitting in a room in Microsoft's Building 88 ready to show off his team's latest creation: the new Surface Pro. At first glance, it looks a lot like 2015's Surface Pro 4, but it's part of a bigger lineup of the entire Surface family that Microsoft is now ready to take worldwide.

For the first time in Surface history, Microsoft will start shipping two new products (Surface Pro and Surface Laptop) worldwide at launch. June 15th will see these new products launch, and a big expansion for the Surface Studio all-in-one PC, too. It's clearly a date that Microsoft has been working toward for quite some time, and as I walked around Microsoft's secretive Surface building located at its Redmond, Washington, campus, it's easy to see that the Surface family of devices is now coming to life.

Be honest with yourself: which line of devices feels more innovative and exciting: Surface or Mac?

Easy answer.

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Neither of em, tbh.
by gan17 on Thu 25th May 2017 16:11 UTC
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Meh, one has semi-exciting hardware but runs an operating system I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, while the other runs a semi-tolerable operating system but comes with overpriced, underpowered hardware.

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RE: Neither of em, tbh.
by Brainworm on Fri 26th May 2017 14:00 in reply to "Neither of em, tbh."
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Pretty much this. I've been exclusively Linux for the home since about '98, but work offers a choice between Dell, HP, and Apple, so I go Apple. It's the only choice with a decent keyboard.

So I landed an MS-funded grant that gave all the participants a Surface Pro 4. And the hardware is great: nice display, great port selection, and a genuinely solid keyboard/trackpad combo -- a far sight better than most laptops. On (at least) that last point it runs circles around the iPad Pro.

But holy hell is the software intolerable. Display scaling problems everywhere you look. Software updates take literal hours, and every piece has its own daemon and update system. UI consistency is like Linux in the early '00s. Sometimes there's a menu, sometimes a menu button, sometimes a ribbon, and none of them are searchable.

And basic stuff -- marking up PDFs -- requires third party software (keep in mind this is a tablet that comes with a stylus). It's bizarre. I can't make sense of the difference between the hardware and software quality.

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