Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 9th Jun 2017 09:41 UTC
Apple

Drag and Drop has arrived in iOS 11! Learn the fundamentals behind the new iOS Drag and Drop - architecture and APIs. This session will go over the design goals, architecture and key components of the API to allow you to quickly adopt Drag and Drop in your App.

Drag and drop seems like a boring feature, but on iOS 11 and the iPad, it's actually quite interesting and implemented in a novel way. This WWDC session starts with a demo, showing off how you can use multiple fingers to drag multiple things, combine different dragged objects, while still being able to interact with other touch UI elements. Sadly, Apple decided to cripple drag and drop on the iPhone, restricting it to only being able to drag and drop within a single application.

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RE[2]: Wow
by Tony Swash on Sat 10th Jun 2017 13:47 UTC in reply to "RE: Wow"
Tony Swash
Member since:
2009-08-22

Don't hold your breath, they waited until Steve passed to release the Pencil, something he was staunchly against and considered a loser's interface.


What a silly comment. During the original iPhone launch event Steve Jobs (rightly) rejected using a stylus as a generic input system. The Pencil is not a generic input system. The Pencil is a specialist tool for graphic creation used by a small but important group of creative content creators. If you cannot see the difference then there is something wrong with you.

The key point is of course that today nobody uses a stylus as the generic input device on an iOS device.

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RE[3]: Wow
by Morgan on Sat 10th Jun 2017 14:56 in reply to "RE[2]: Wow"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

If you cannot see the difference then there is something wrong with you.


An ad hominem attack indicates that the attacker has no real argument and resorts to attacking one's character instead. :-)

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RE[4]: Wow
by Tony Swash on Sat 10th Jun 2017 18:04 in reply to "RE[3]: Wow"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

" If you cannot see the difference then there is something wrong with you.


An ad hominem attack indicates that the attacker has no real argument and resorts to attacking one's character instead. :-)
"

You are continuing to be silly

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RE[4]: Wow
by No it isnt on Sun 11th Jun 2017 08:14 in reply to "RE[3]: Wow"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

No all invectives are ad hominem arguments, you sack of shit.

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RE[3]: Wow
by Alfman on Sat 10th Jun 2017 15:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Wow"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Tony Swash,

What a silly comment. During the original iPhone launch event Steve Jobs (rightly) rejected using a stylus as a generic input system. The Pencil is not a generic input system. The Pencil is a specialist tool for graphic creation used by a small but important group of creative content creators. If you cannot see the difference then there is something wrong with you.


I personally disagree, the bluntness of fingers has an adverse effect on general usability. Even one of the most basic tasks at work and school, taking notes, remains quite problematic without a stylus or keyboard. Ever since the touch input came around, data entry has remained tedious. I'm not exaggerating in the least when I say I prefer pencil and paper compared to a phone/tablet without a stylus. Websites themselves are being dumbed down to compensate for the inadequacies of blunt input on mobiles.

And that's the main problem as I see it, the only way we can make the argument that input precision is only important to some special niche is by first dumbing down the expectations for the general population.

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RE[4]: Wow
by Tony Swash on Sat 10th Jun 2017 18:02 in reply to "RE[3]: Wow"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

Tony Swash,

"What a silly comment. During the original iPhone launch event Steve Jobs (rightly) rejected using a stylus as a generic input system. The Pencil is not a generic input system. The Pencil is a specialist tool for graphic creation used by a small but important group of creative content creators. If you cannot see the difference then there is something wrong with you.


I personally disagree, the bluntness of fingers has an adverse effect on general usability. Even one of the most basic tasks at work and school, taking notes, remains quite problematic without a stylus or keyboard. Ever since the touch input came around, data entry has remained tedious. I'm not exaggerating in the least when I say I prefer pencil and paper compared to a phone/tablet without a stylus. Websites themselves are being dumbed down to compensate for the inadequacies of blunt input on mobiles.

And that's the main problem as I see it, the only way we can make the argument that input precision is only important to some special niche is by first dumbing down the expectations for the general population.
"

The comment and my response was not about the desirability of using a stylus as opposed to a finger on a touch interface. The comment was suggesting that by introducing the Pencil Apple had somehow been forced to admit that Jobs was wrong in his original comments about using a stylus during the iPhone launch keynote.

My response was that the original commentator was wrong and that it was a silly thing to say because even a cursory viewing of the the original Jobs keynote would make it absolutely clear that Jobs comments about the stylus were referring to the use of a stylus as the general and main way to interact with a touch screen.

Anybody who thinks that the Apple Pencil is designed to be, or is actually being used as, the main way to interact with the touch screen on an iPad is being deliberately obtuse.

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RE[3]: Wow
by Megol on Sat 10th Jun 2017 19:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Wow"
Megol Member since:
2011-04-11

"Don't hold your breath, they waited until Steve passed to release the Pencil, something he was staunchly against and considered a loser's interface.


What a silly comment. During the original iPhone launch event Steve Jobs (rightly) rejected using a stylus as a generic input system. The Pencil is not a generic input system. The Pencil is a specialist tool for graphic creation used by a small but important group of creative content creators. If you cannot see the difference then there is something wrong with you.
"

Pens and pencils are still used all over the world. And finger painting is for kids.


The key point is of course that today nobody uses a stylus as the generic input device on an iOS device.


Because it isn't really supported...

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RE[4]: Wow
by Tony Swash on Sun 11th Jun 2017 14:20 in reply to "RE[3]: Wow"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22


"
The key point is of course that today nobody uses a stylus as the generic input device on an iOS device.


Because it isn't really supported...
"

And so your chain of illogical non-sequiturs grows even longer.

You started with the claim that the introduction of the Pencil was Appleā€™s tacit acceptance that Jobs was wrong on the undesirability of using a stylus as the interface mechanism on touch devices.

Now you claim that the Pencil cannot actually be used as the interface mechanism on touch devices.

What you say has no coherence.

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