Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 26th Jun 2017 18:30 UTC
Games

Nintendo has revealed details for the SNES Classic. The standalone mini console will feature 21 games, including Super Mario World, Earthbound, Super Mario Kart, and The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. But the most surprising inclusion is Star Fox 2, the unreleased sequel to the original Star Fox for SNES.

No Chrono Trigger.

Why would I buy a SNES if I can't play the best game ever made on it? This is a baffling, dealbreaking omission.

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No cartridges? WTF?
by aliver on Mon 26th Jun 2017 20:02 UTC
aliver
Member since:
2011-03-19

Why not include the damn cartridge slot? Don't give me "manufacturing cost" as a reason, either. It's quite nominal (having fab'd a few boards myself) to include that hardware.

It's a lot like a "greatest hits" collection. I mean it's cool in some ways because it just generates motion around the retro scene (motion != action, but isn't bad). For someone like me, it's just rehashing old stuff without anything new to offer (other than HDMI which isn't nothing).

I'd much rather them have released a premium SNES with HDMI, better sound (HDMI, built in RCA on the head unit, or PCM over optical), better connectors such as built-in composite RGB, and a network interface to do remote-internet-based-coop-gaming. Plus, if they were smart, they'd put in firmware to allow for a "game store" ala the WII, 3DS, or Switch. Now THAT would have been worth waiting and paying for.

Taking away my cartridge slot made the whole thing like some kind of rinky-dink drugstore ripoff console from retron or someone even lower rent (at least the Retron has a cartridge slot!).

Keep in mind I still have a real SNES hooked up to a Sony 20" Trinitron PVM monitor. So, this is absolutely worthless to me. One can have all the SNES games on a single SD card via a Super EverDrive. Granted it's $200 but if you really wanted a big game endownment... that's far superior to 30 pre-picked games.

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RE: No cartridges? WTF?
by sergio on Mon 26th Jun 2017 22:35 in reply to "No cartridges? WTF?"
sergio Member since:
2005-07-06


Keep in mind I still have a real SNES hooked up to a Sony 20" Trinitron PVM monitor. So, this is absolutely worthless to me. One can have all the SNES games on a single SD card via a Super EverDrive. Granted it's $200 but if you really wanted a big game endownment... that's far superior to 30 pre-picked games.


100% agree.

To me, the biggest NES/SNESmini sin is the lack of an ANALOG video output... playing low resolution games created for CRT displays in a modern LCD TV is an atrocious experience and It's not representative of how these games looked back in the day at all.

The so called "pixel art" look is a fucking lie, back in the day you didn't see blocky graphics in a SNES game!! SNES games looked (and look) AMAZING in a CRT TV even by today standards. The blocky mess people usually see in modern LCD TVs when they play retro games is not the real deal because those graphics were not designed for digital discrete displays like LCD.

Classic games must be played on CRT TV/monitors to be representative of what they ware. Modern generations don't get real deal with these HDMI emulator boxes like the NES or the SNES mini, they are misleading representations of what We enjoyed.

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RE[2]: No cartridges? WTF?
by flanque on Mon 26th Jun 2017 22:42 in reply to "RE: No cartridges? WTF?"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

Modern generations don't get real deal with these HDMI emulator boxes like the NES or the SNES mini, they are misleading representations of what We enjoyed.

I think what we enjoyed was well beyond the graphics.. there were so many other things that made it "great".

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RE[2]: No cartridges? WTF?
by ilovebeer on Wed 28th Jun 2017 19:05 in reply to "RE: No cartridges? WTF?"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08


Keep in mind I still have a real SNES hooked up to a Sony 20" Trinitron PVM monitor. So, this is absolutely worthless to me. One can have all the SNES games on a single SD card via a Super EverDrive. Granted it's $200 but if you really wanted a big game endownment... that's far superior to 30 pre-picked games.

100% agree.

To me, the biggest NES/SNESmini sin is the lack of an ANALOG video output... playing low resolution games created for CRT displays in a modern LCD TV is an atrocious experience and It's not representative of how these games looked back in the day at all.


If you're going to add cost you have to justify it with demand. Maybe there's a handful of people who still own old CRT tvs/monitors but that obviously doesn't describe the majority of consumers today. Why would you add cost just to satisfy a tiny sliver of your customers? The lack of analog output is not a deal breaker for people interested in this type of product.

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RE: No cartridges? WTF?
by leech on Mon 26th Jun 2017 22:38 in reply to "No cartridges? WTF?"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

Oddly, the ATGames Atari / Sega flashback things do it a bit more right. 1) they include cartridge ports on their non-mobile systems. And their mobile systems have SD card slots.

Downside is they don't provide a save feature for anything you put on the SD card...

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RE[2]: No cartridges? WTF?
by amrothery on Mon 26th Jun 2017 23:47 in reply to "RE: No cartridges? WTF?"
amrothery Member since:
2011-08-26

With the @Games Flashback consoles, only the Genesis has a cartridge slot. Ataris, ColecoVisions and Intellivisions lack the feature. But one of the older Ataris could have a cartridge slot soldered in.

I've got one each of all four.

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RE: No cartridges? WTF?
by IndigoJo on Tue 27th Jun 2017 20:28 in reply to "No cartridges? WTF?"
IndigoJo Member since:
2005-07-06

It looks like it has a cartridge slot to me. It's just behind the logo on the top. I've seen a picture of the UK version which definitely has a slot. They both have "Eject" buttons; what is there to eject except a cartridge?

https://store.nintendo.co.uk/nintendo-classic-mini-hardware/nintendo...

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RE[2]: No cartridges? WTF?
by Kochise on Wed 28th Jun 2017 08:40 in reply to "RE: No cartridges? WTF?"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Fake slot, like on the NES mini ?

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