Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Jul 2017 20:56 UTC, submitted by Alex
OpenStep, GNUstep

After almost 8 years (we talked about it, of course), a new version of the GNUSTEP live CD has been released - version 2.5, for amd64. The live CD is based on Debian 9, has low hardware requirements, and uses Linux 4.9 with compressed RAM and no systemd. The live CD is a very easy and non-destructive way of testing out and playing with GNUSTEP, a free software implementation of OPENSTEP.

It's been a long, long time since I got to use our glorious *STEP database category. Isn't that one beautiful icon?

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Disappointment
by ThomasFuhringer on Fri 28th Jul 2017 06:35 UTC
ThomasFuhringer
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2007-01-25

When I saw the article I thought we would see some progress on GNUStep. But the truth it that little or - to my perception - no visible further development has happened.
It is a real pity because from a software architecture point of view, this is a so much better platform than all the other desktop environments we are seeing today. If I was a devoloper I would much rather want to work on this than all the other stuff the industry is heading for today, especially everything that is integrating 'web technologies' into the basic application framework.

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RE: Disappointment
by alexmyczko on Fri 28th Jul 2017 11:47 in reply to "Disappointment"
alexmyczko Member since:
2017-07-27

The point is, you don't see the development. wayland suppord is there (just not released yet). And why not step up and learn programming, there's some great tutorials. Even if you dislike Objective-C, learn Swift, and hope for GNUstep swift bindings, REALLY SOON, COMRADE ;)

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RE: Disappointment
by yahya on Fri 28th Jul 2017 12:39 in reply to "Disappointment"
yahya Member since:
2007-03-29

When I saw the article I thought we would see some progress on GNUStep. But the truth it that little or - to my perception - no visible further development has happened.


Indeed, the look is unchanged from 10-15 years ago, when we all still expected something awesome to come out of it. As if the whole etoile project came and went without leaving any trace.

I am not at all qualified to judge the technical merits of GNUstep, but usability wise it feels like being catapulted back in time to the first half of the 1990s.

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RE[2]: Disappointment
by lproven on Fri 28th Jul 2017 14:39 in reply to "RE: Disappointment"
lproven Member since:
2006-08-23

Why would the look & feel change? NEXTstep was already the best-looking GUI in the world by the end of the 1980s. Nothing has surpassed it yet. So why change it?

Fashions change but classic design doesn't stop being classic.

How many other GUIs have made it into music videos?

http://www.osnews.com/story/10618/Music_Video_Clip_from_the_90s_Fea...

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RE: Disappointment
by lproven on Fri 28th Jul 2017 14:30 in reply to "Disappointment"
lproven Member since:
2006-08-23

The bulk of the development is in the libraries. GNUstep is mainly a FOSS re-implementation of the NEXTstep framework -- the Objective-C class libraries used to build NEXTstep (and OS X) apps.

http://www.gnustep.org/

The fact that this means that they have also implemented most of an entire desktop, complete with accessories, seems to be more or less a a happy accident, an unplanned but happy side-effect of the development and testing of the class library framework.

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