Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Jul 2017 20:56 UTC, submitted by Alex
OpenStep, GNUstep

After almost 8 years (we talked about it, of course), a new version of the GNUSTEP live CD has been released - version 2.5, for amd64. The live CD is based on Debian 9, has low hardware requirements, and uses Linux 4.9 with compressed RAM and no systemd. The live CD is a very easy and non-destructive way of testing out and playing with GNUSTEP, a free software implementation of OPENSTEP.

It's been a long, long time since I got to use our glorious *STEP database category. Isn't that one beautiful icon?

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RE: Disappointment
by yahya on Fri 28th Jul 2017 12:39 UTC in reply to "Disappointment"
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When I saw the article I thought we would see some progress on GNUStep. But the truth it that little or - to my perception - no visible further development has happened.

Indeed, the look is unchanged from 10-15 years ago, when we all still expected something awesome to come out of it. As if the whole etoile project came and went without leaving any trace.

I am not at all qualified to judge the technical merits of GNUstep, but usability wise it feels like being catapulted back in time to the first half of the 1990s.

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RE[2]: Disappointment
by lproven on Fri 28th Jul 2017 14:39 in reply to "RE: Disappointment"
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Why would the look & feel change? NEXTstep was already the best-looking GUI in the world by the end of the 1980s. Nothing has surpassed it yet. So why change it?

Fashions change but classic design doesn't stop being classic.

How many other GUIs have made it into music videos?

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Window Maker
by cybergorf on Fri 28th Jul 2017 17:51 in reply to "RE[2]: Disappointment"
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The problem here is that Window Maker is based on WINGS (Wings Is Not Gnu Step). So the central element of the GUI uses a different widget system, that looks more or less the same, but has its own libraries.

Etoile was addressing this, but the new window manager was never finished

... or was it? "Azalea" is deprecated again and replaced with something new

Edited 2017-07-28 18:01 UTC

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RE[3]: Disappointment
by yahya on Sun 30th Jul 2017 07:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Disappointment"
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Why would the look & feel change? NEXTstep was already the best-looking GUI in the world by the end of the 1980s. Nothing has surpassed it yet. So why change it?

Because it lacks responsiveness and usability.

For me, if it had awesome usability, its look wouldn't be a strong consideration. But really, it doesn't. E.g with most current UIs you have some text input field and if there is a smart algorithm at work under the hood, entering a search term gives you whatever you were looking for in an instant, be it a programme, a document, a contact, an event or a location. Also, connecting a USB stick to my computer causes it to be mounted or at least gives me some visual or audible feedback telling me that the system has detected it. Or I get startup notifications for programmes I have launched, or I have a notification area for all those programmes which use it etc. I don't see any of that it the GNUstep live CD. It really feels very much like when I started using Linux around 18 years ago, with Fvwm and the like. If that's what I want, that's fine, but I don't see how GNUstep gives me any additional benefit there either.

Edited 2017-07-30 07:30 UTC

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RE[3]: Disappointment
by walkerdude on Mon 31st Jul 2017 02:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Disappointment"
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I do miss the NeXT interface — used it through college. OS X (er macOS) is OK, but misses much of what was there.

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