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If a new operating system version is released, but nobody's able to use it, has it really been released?

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2016-06-10

No, it won't. For the billionth time:


And this is why I rarely post on osnews and similar sites. We're not just here to openly discuss things with logical arguments. It's as if everyone wants to "win" some imaginary argument. "If only you had a clue, you'd know, like I do, that X is wrong and Y is true."

I have no problem with us disagreeing on this matter. But, why do we need to resort to statements like "For the billionth time"? What gain is there in that? Do we have nothing better to do than to point out how wrong everyone else is?

And yes, I know it's quite common on the internet for people to point out how wrong each other is and tear each other down. But, can we not strive for more civility? It really makes me sad (not in self esteem, but for the human race in general) that this is the state of affairs.

You may very well be right. And if so, I'm OK with my hopes not coming to fruition on OS updates. But, for now, I'll be cautiously optimistic that Samsung, LG, HTC, Huawei et al will see the benefits, to their user base, and thus the good PR, leading to more profits for all.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

cacheline,

I have no problem with us disagreeing on this matter. But, why do we need to resort to statements like "For the billionth time"? What gain is there in that? Do we have nothing better to do than to point out how wrong everyone else is?


That's true, sometimes we get too aggressive and make the conversation less pleasant. Of course there have always been disagreements, but sometimes it just seems to come out of nowhere. I try to be very patient with people, to various levels of success ;)


You may very well be right. And if so, I'm OK with my hopes not coming to fruition on OS updates. But, for now, I'll be cautiously optimistic that Samsung, LG, HTC, Huawei et al will see the benefits, to their user base, and thus the good PR, leading to more profits for all.


I actually don't think the manufacturers will do this to benefit their users, they've had plenty of opportunities to do this already and they don't care to raise the bar so long as no one else is raising it either. There may be an unspoken agreement that they are all collectively better off by neglecting to support older models in order to increase sales.

However IMHO manufacturers may be more likely to support goggle's efforts for a completely different reason:
1) they don't want to be singled out as for blocking google updates if they work everywhere else.
And 2) distancing themselves from google's official android code actually requires them to shoulder more costs as their own engineers face more maintenance work debugging their branch and backporting patches by themselves without google's help and updates.
3) I'm not sure about this one, but they may not be able to call it "android" anymore if they're actually selling their own branch of it (I imagine they had to agree to google's terms to use the trademark)

One would hope that they will just take the easy path and stick with mainline, but who really knows...

Edited 2017-08-21 08:04 UTC

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cacheline Member since:
2016-06-10

Makes sense to me :-)

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kurkosdr Member since:
2011-04-11

I have no problem with us disagreeing on this matter. But, why do we need to resort to statements like "For the billionth time"?


Yes, I need to do that. I am sick and tired or people making a certain purchase choice, and then incessantly whining on forums about drawbacks they knew existed when they bought the thing, or posting hopeful messages (for the billionth time) that the manufacturer will magically change course because of an unrelated event, especially when there is a competitive product not having that drawback.

Voting with your wallet good, whining on forums about drawbacks you knew existed bad.

It is always the same: Macbook users hoping Apple will for some reason put good hardware in their laptops, Samsung Galaxy hoping Samsung will release swift updates (as if that is possible considering the deep customization that goes into those devices), Intel users whining about prices, all of them hoping the manufacturer will magically change course without being forced by the customer's wallet.

Jeez... Just don't buy the damn things.

Edited 2017-08-21 20:06 UTC

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

kurkosdr,

Yes, I need to do that. I am sick and tired or people making a certain purchase choice, and then incessantly whining on forums about drawbacks they knew existed when they bought the thing, or posting hopeful messages (for the billionth time) that the manufacturer will magically change course because of an unrelated event, especially when there is a competitive product not having that drawback.

Voting with your wallet good, whining on forums about drawbacks you knew existed bad.

...

Jeez... Just don't buy the damn things.


A) Voting with your wallet only works in a healthy free market with competition where vendors are actually catering to our needs. For everyone else, we have every reason to complain. You have every right to ignore us if it's any consolation ;)

B) The OP's 9 posts on osnews are hardly whining and criticizing him for expressing hope that is android moving in the right direction is quite harsh, methinks.


Submitted from my PDP-11-mobile phone

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