Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Sep 2017 21:52 UTC
Apple

iOS 11 has been released, and if you have an iPhone or iPad, you should really update right now. It's a big release, and especially iPad users will get to enjoy an overhauled user experience on their tablets. If you're not convinced, be sure to read the only two reviews you need: the one by fervent and enthusiastic (his enthusiasm for the iPad is infectious, in a good way) iPad user Federico Viticci, and the Ars Technica review written by Andrew Cunningham.

I've been using the betas on my 2017 iPad Pro 12.9", and it truly transforms how you use the iPad, to the point where I can use mine comfortably for work (translating, posting OSNews stories - like this one - and so on). No macOS or Windows laptop is as responsive and fluid as this iPad Pro, and the battery life of this machine is so good, it's probably illegal in 12 US states. Unlike macOS or Windows, I don't have to spend time fighting with iOS 11 to get it to do what I want, like fidgeting with windows, or anxiously managing battery life because otherwise I won't get through a day, or manage applications. And trust me, there's no PC - not even my own €4000 monster PC - that is as fluid and responsive as this iPad Pro.

The iPad Pro with iOS 11 is the truest realisation yet of it just works.

I'm not going to claim this is for everyone, or that you should ritually sacrifice your ThinkPad and run to the Apple Store and get the iPad Pro. However, after a few months of use, there's no way I'm ever going back to a traditional laptop. That being said - my only complaint about the 2017 iPad Pro 12.9" is an odd one: it's not a mobile device.

I am a sit down behind my desk kind of person. I work and compute behind a desk, with a large display at eye height and a comfortable chair. The iPad Pro isn't suited for this kind of work, as it forces you to look down, which due to back problems I cannot do for longer periods of time. What I really want is a small iOS box I can hook up a display, keyboard, and mouse to. Apple already makes such a box - the Apple TV - so I know they can do it. Mouse and keyboard support is probably coming to iOS over the coming years, and with the Mac Mini languishing, it feels like they might be working on just such a box.

I'd easily pay €500-700 for such a machine.

I know stating iOS is a great general purpose computing platform tends to be controversial - I myself have been skeptical about this very thing for years - but iOS 11 and the iPad Pro have utterly convinced me. This is the platform I want for laptop and desktop computer use. Windows and macOS feel like the past now.

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Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Developing cross-platform apps in C# and javascript for the desktop


Download Continuous, or any of the other great iOS IDEs:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/continuous-net-c-and-f-ide/id1095213...

movie capture, creation and editing


Download LumaFusion, or any of the other great video editors on iOS:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/lumafusion/id1062022008?mt=8&ign-mpt...

maintaining virtual machines for legacy app. support and maintenance


VMware, Citrix, etc. all have iOS applications. This isn't my area of expertise - not by a long shot - but I wouldn't be surprised if these apps are actually a lot better than you think.

fine-scale graphical design using photoshop via mouse and pen


Affinity is better than Photoshop.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/affinity-photo/id824183456?mt=12

audio extraction and manipulation


There are countless [professional] audio tools for iOS.

Writing long and complex articles with embedded images and text content on CMS systems using small, keyboards, on a tiny screen, very suitable.


You can connect any keyboard to an iPad. Even mechanical keyboards. Its screen size of 12.9" is right on par with the most popular laptop screen size out there (~13").

And did you read that long, complex review I linked to above? Viticci does all his work on iPads, including writing and creating that complex article. The writing tools for iOS are downright excellent; it's probably the most developed, mature pro aspect of iOS. And you can always resort to very good versions of Word/Excel/etc. and Pages/Numbers/etc. if need be.

Running multiple applications simultaneously on multiple screens to speed workflow.


iOS doesn't do multiple screens yet. You got me there. This clearly means iOS is entirely garbage and useless.

Can I ask a question? Can you feel the depth of the sarcasm?

Edited 2017-09-20 09:04 UTC

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dpJudas Member since:
2009-12-10

Download Continuous, or any of the other great iOS IDEs:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/continuous-net-c-and-f-ide/id1095213...

With all due respect, if you were a software developer you wouldn't have used that link as proof that an iOS device is ready to be used for that kind of work.

See that one tab on the screenshots on that page? Well, I have 10 of those visible in Visual Studio right now. That's next to the docked solution explorer, which in itself has additional three tabs. I also might have several Visual Studio's open at the same time, for various reasons.

To top it off, here's a very important review comment on that very same page:

It's amazing to have an IDE like this running on iOS. But until it gets support for Git there's no good way to actually work on real projects. There is a "sources" list when you try to open a file, but it only ever has your local device and I can't figure out how to add things to it.

So in other words, I can't even access source control from the thing. Got it. Top of the line tools for software developers.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

It was just an example. There are countless others, for a variety of languages.

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yerverluvinunclebert Member since:
2014-05-03


Download Continuous, or any of the other great iOS IDEs:


No! Why would I abandon years of knowledge, first rate, ultra-productive tools to learn another platform. The environment is so much more mature, there are hundreds of deeply embedded tools that are experts in their field and many are free. I could do it on a raspberry Pi but it makes no sense to say that we can abandon a mature environment just because in some sense "it can".


Download LumaFusion, or any of the other great video editors on iOS:


Same reasons as above. If I was going to leap to Apple then OS/X might be a practical choice due to its maturity.

maintaining virtual machines for legacy app. support and maintenance


As above but even more important is the fact that running legacy apps on VMs on IOS, well people would laugh in my face. I have no doubt that a Mini Cooper can deliver parcels but have you ever seen a courier company using anything other than a truck/van? Please.

Affinity is better than Photoshop.


Well, that's an opinion and besides that it isn't really relevant, I repeat my same answer to 1 and to my response regarding the truck. Photoshop is THE truck.

There are countless [professional] audio tools for iOS.


Of course there are but anyone who swapped their dedicated high bandwidth, dedicated desktop devices for processing audio using the mature tools available for the environment, instead proposing IOS would, again be laughed out of the studio.

You can connect any keyboard to an iPad. Even mechanical keyboards. Its screen size of 12.9" is right on par with the most popular laptop screen size out there (~13").


Of course you can. A PC already has those things... I can add a truck pickup to the Mini Cooper, I can add reversing beepers, a big diesel engine and a tachometer, I could raise the roof of the cab. It's a mini Cooper and I want a truck! Get real!

On top of that PCs are cheaper, anyone can work on them, they are expandable, use off the shelf components, blah, blah &c &c. Come on!


iOS doesn't do multiple screens yet. You got me there. This clearly means iOS is entirely garbage and useless.


Not just multi screens, proper multi-tasking, multi-user and multi screen. I never said IOS is garbage and useless, you said that. You are losing it!

I am simply countering your inference that the latest version of IOS is the direction to go if you want a general purpose computer, the answer is NO.

IOS is merely starting to catch up in this area.

Your response merely confirms what I have started to suspect. Your fascination with phones and tablets is leading you to becoming one-sided.

PS Edited for spelling mistakes (I should have been using IOS clearly)

Edited 2017-09-20 09:49 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Why would I abandon years of knowledge, first rate, ultra-productive tools to learn another platform.


Ah, so it's not about the merits of the platform - it's about you being lazy. You're free to be lazy - but there's no need to be so aggressive and defensive over traditional desktop computing. Traditional desktop computing will live on just fine. It's not being threatened. You can relax.

is loeading you to becoming one-sided.


...priceless. Just priceless. Thanks for that.

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gan17 Member since:
2008-06-03

Affinity is better than Photoshop


Nope. Still some ways to go. It's RAW conversion is mediocre for anything other than iPhone and Canon files. It lacks Photoshop's 3D LUT support. More importantly, it lacks support for the extensive ecosystem of Photoshop plugins, nor does it have any decent resources online for aiding Photoshop users that would be considering it as an alternative. Lastly, the iPad version has issues with file management (can't open certain kinds of files from local storage and forces you to go through iCloud) and is still rather buggy (both Mac/Win and iPad versions) in places.

The iPad Pro's just not there yet for image editing. For starters, simply transferring the images (via Apple's Lightning-SD dongle) is painful. It just shoves everything into your Camera Roll. You can't specify a preferred folder. Color management across various apps is still a bit of an enigma, though at least the factory calibration out of the box is more accurate than almost any desktop monitor available. Adobe's own iOS apps are way too castrated compared to what their desktop offerings, which is a shame because Lightroom on the iPad Pro simply crushes the spec'd out 5K iMac in my office for speed rendering 1:1 previews.

Not saying there's no future on iPad for image editing - I want it to succeed - but it's just not there yet if you're even half-serious about photography.

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yerverluvinunclebert Member since:
2014-05-03

Well said. The same argument applies on almost all his argued points. The mature platform and the well-developed program is always the better one to specify.

To argue that Affinity is better than Photoshop? For some reason Thom has gone off the rails on this one. Who would argue that learning something other Photoshop was anything other than a long term mistake?

Affinity? GIMP is arguably better than Photoshop except that in reality it isn't. There is no point in arguing this stuff with experts who know better.

I couldn't use GIMP or Affinity for any of the things I need it to do. The only reason I use photoshop is because of the enormous number of free resources, the investment in manpower and time, the stability and maturity in what it offers. Photoshop is my default IDE for graphical application development using conversion scripts that create XML descriptions for desktop apps that run on Windows and Android. Can Affinity do any of this? No. Affinity is not better than Photoshop at all for an infinity of reasons!

Thom's credibility has been damaged by articles and arguments like these and I'd like him to put him back on the rails. For his sake and my own - as I like this site and what it offers. The site's articles generally makes sense but not this one and certainly not Thom's biased response.

He hasn't realised that his opinions are not facts. He thinks that other's facts are opinions and in addition he judges them as being of less importance than his own. In this case he is WRONG.

Edited 2017-09-20 12:00 UTC

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Download Continuous, or any of the other great iOS IDEs


a) that doesn't support javascript
b) how do you know it's great?


If you're a serious software developer I sincerely doubt IOS 11 is going to meet your needs for an IDE at this point in time.

Edited 2017-09-20 12:34 UTC

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henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

"Download Continuous, or any of the other great iOS IDEs


a) that doesn't support javascript

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Supports C#. Allows the developer to code on device.


b) how do you know it's great?


It works. It is due an update fairly soon (supposedly in review) and will be a lot more advanced after that point.


If you're a serious software developer I sincerely doubt IOS 11 is going to meet your needs for an IDE at this point in time.


Depends what you are doing. Continuous is pretty much in line with VSCode and the C# integration in that.

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henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

"Developing cross-platform apps in C# and javascript for the desktop


Download Continuous, or any of the other great iOS IDEs:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/continuous-net-c-and-f-ide/id1095213...
"

Which is due a bug update and will include (if I read the tweet the developer put out recently) nuget support. You are still able to develop apps at the moment, just slightly restricted with the packages included.

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sonOf65816 Member since:
2017-09-20

Interestingly, iOS *can* do multiple screens- but it's a feature that requires individual support from the app developer, and it's rarely used. A couple of games use it (have the gameplay split across an external screen like a TV, and the actual device).

Of course, iOS would need to have true keyboard with mouse support before they go exploring putting apps on a second display- that is not a touch screen ;)

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