Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 24th Sep 2017 00:09 UTC
Benchmarks

The "Bionic" part in the name of Apple's A11 Bionic chip isn't just marketing speak. It's the most powerful processor ever put in a mobile phone. We've put this chip to the test in both synthetic benchmarks and some real-world speed trials, and it obliterates every Android phone we tested.

As far as SoCs go, Apple is incredibly far ahead of Qualcomm and Samsung. These companies have some serious soul-searching to do.

I can't wait for AnandTech to dive into the A11 Bionic, so we can get some more details than just people comparing GeekBench scores.

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Comment by PJBonoVox
by PJBonoVox on Sun 24th Sep 2017 01:00 UTC
PJBonoVox
Member since:
2006-08-14

I agree they're making good leaps, but remember that that this is a £700 phone. £700!

If we rated performance vs cost it doesn't seem quite so rosy.

(Also, typo in the summary-- 'Serous')

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RE: Comment by PJBonoVox
by yerverluvinunclebert on Sun 24th Sep 2017 10:57 in reply to "Comment by PJBonoVox"
yerverluvinunclebert Member since:
2014-05-03

£700 is what prevents the iphone from being the future, the future is here but only for a select few. All this power seems wasted on a phone.

remember that that this is a £700 phone. £700!


I could have bought 10-12 of the laptops I am using now (Dell Lattitude e5400)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=...

Edited 2017-09-24 10:58 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by PJBonoVox
by Windows Sucks on Mon 25th Sep 2017 02:18 in reply to "RE: Comment by PJBonoVox"
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2005-11-10

The note is the same price (or more) the Pixel is close to the same price the new Essential phone too.

Funny that people don’t say the same about price when it comes to Samsung, Google etc. (especially when it’s all the same Android and you can get Android phones with a lot of the same features and same software for half the price)

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Yeah, but is this only ever going to be in a phone? I think its obviously going to be in the next iPad. Now is it over kill in the ipad? Well, apparently some people like Thom are starting to use it instead of a notebook. So a chip as powerfull as a notebook inside a notebook replacement, doesn't sound as crazy.

Also, worth keeping in mind the future direction of phones that Apple has in mind things like Augmented Realtiy. That will burn through some cpu/gpu cycles, i think.

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RE: Comment by PJBonoVox
by gan17 on Sun 24th Sep 2017 13:31 in reply to "Comment by PJBonoVox"
gan17 Member since:
2008-06-03

I agree they're making good leaps, but remember that that this is a £700 phone. £700!

The two Samsung phones benchmarked against the iPhones are also similarly priced, or more. The Note 8 is supposedly around the US$1000 mark. Phone prices are getting ridiculous!

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RE[2]: Comment by PJBonoVox
by ggeldenhuys on Sun 24th Sep 2017 15:30 in reply to "RE: Comment by PJBonoVox"
ggeldenhuys Member since:
2006-11-13

Phone prices are getting ridiculous!

I couldn't agree more! It is absolutely crazy - they have entered or surpassed the laptop pricing. I can do so much more (useful things) on a laptop, and normally not bound to only one OS vendor that will artificially force me to upgrade or brand my hardware as obsolete in a year's time.

I'm still using a Google Nexus 4 which has received every Android update since it's release in 2012 (until this year) and my phone still runs every app under the sun just fine. All that for a fraction of what a Apple or Samsung phone costs.

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RE[2]: Comment by PJBonoVox
by jigzat on Sun 24th Sep 2017 22:39 in reply to "RE: Comment by PJBonoVox"
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2008-10-30

Ongoing monetary inflation, trust me, is going to get worst. Also bleeding edge technology is expensive and early adopters drive the price down. Same thing happened with corning glass, memory and other technologies pushed by Apple (and others).

On a side note my iPhone 5s died (my fault) and right now I cannot afford a new iPhone so I had to buy a cheap Xperia in the mean time.

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RE[2]: Comment by PJBonoVox
by Soulbender on Mon 25th Sep 2017 11:44 in reply to "RE: Comment by PJBonoVox"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Phone prices are getting ridiculous!


My current Android phone (less than a year old) cost me ~$50. My wife's new Android cost around ~70.
These aren't monster phones but more than enough for what we use them for (phone, web, youtube, messaging etc).

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RE[2]: Comment by PJBonoVox
by leos on Mon 25th Sep 2017 17:43 in reply to "RE: Comment by PJBonoVox"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

"I agree they're making good leaps, but remember that that this is a £700 phone. £700!

The two Samsung phones benchmarked against the iPhones are also similarly priced, or more. The Note 8 is supposedly around the US$1000 mark. Phone prices are getting ridiculous!
"

Nonsense. I can walk into Walmart and get a perfectly good Android phone for $100 (CAD) https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/acer-liquid-zest-5-3g-smartphone/600019...
Or even less on Amazon. If you want the highest of the high end you will pay for it, but smartphone technology is cheaper than ever. My current iPhone 5S I bought for $80 used. Will probably replace with an SE soon.

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RE[2]: Comment by PJBonoVox
by PJBonoVox on Fri 29th Sep 2017 00:16 in reply to "RE: Comment by PJBonoVox"
PJBonoVox Member since:
2006-08-14

Yeah, I hear ya dude. The phones that it was benchmarked against would never be anywhere NEAR my 'must buy' list.

I'm really comparing it to some of the offerings from Xiaomi, ZTE, Lenovo and so on. I'd never spend $900+ on a phone, but if I did, I'd choose the iPhone out of the options in that price range.

Absolutely nothing against Apple, but they're just out of my bracket and not aimed at me.

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RE: Comment by PJBonoVox
by theTSF on Sun 24th Sep 2017 20:52 in reply to "Comment by PJBonoVox"
theTSF Member since:
2005-09-27

This is true for any new technology.
The newest Intel i9 chips is about $2,000 just for one CPU. Where if you get the previous generation of the i7 chips you get more power per price.

There is also the issue of Price/lifespan of a product. If you get an iPhone 7 for $650 and you figure there is 4 years of support so that is 162.50 a year of usage. While the iPhone 8 for $700 will give you 5 years of support that is $140 a year.

Granted there are also cheaper devices which will give you long term support. But right now Apple has the premium product. Later this year Samsung will probably have it, then Apple again.

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RE: Comment by PJBonoVox
by darknexus on Mon 25th Sep 2017 13:05 in reply to "Comment by PJBonoVox"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

I don't know about pounds, but an iPhone and a Samsung flagship cost about equal in the states if you buy them outright. I'm not counting carrier subsidies or lease agreements. What's the situation in the rest of the world? Note I'm comparing flagship to flagship, not the sub-$100 Android phones.

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RE: Comment by PJBonoVox
by kurkosdr on Mon 25th Sep 2017 18:17 in reply to "Comment by PJBonoVox"
kurkosdr Member since:
2011-04-11

I agree they're making good leaps, but remember that that this is a £700 phone. £700!

If we rated performance vs cost it doesn't seem quite so rosy.

(Also, typo in the summary-- 'Serous')


Many Android flagships out there are a £700 phone. £700! Yet they have a weaker chip.

Qualcomm is enjoying their monopoly in high-performance Android SoCs and doesn't want to put in the R&D dollars to catch Intel.. Manufacturers can't use Exynos because it is from a rival OEM (and even those chips have just the reference implementation from ARM anyway). Intel is out of the picture because of ARM-only native apps. Which leaves out Mediate.. bahaha.

It's Qualcomm or nothing for flagship phones, and Qualcomm knows this.

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