Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 5th Oct 2017 22:37 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems

A couple years ago, Lenovo announced its plans to build a "retro" ThinkPad that would resurrect design elements of ThinkPads past as an homage to the brand's long history.

That ThinkPad is now real. Check out the ThinkPad 25, sold to commemorate 25 years of ThinkPads.

I'm just going to leave this here for you lovely ThinkPad people. This isn't for me, but I'm not here to ruin your party.

Do clean up after yourselves.

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RE: Comment by joekiser
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 7th Oct 2017 02:07 UTC in reply to "Comment by joekiser"
StephenBeDoper
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Meh. It's not what anybody wanted, but it's not _that_ bad. People are knocking the display but they forget the dark ages of low-resolution TN panels just a few years ago.


I'd knock the screen because I remember the "good old days" of ThinkPads with 16:10 screens, rather than 16:9.

Resale value will be low because there will be no spare keyboards or palmrests available.


The keyboard looks identical to the one on my T410s & T420s (IIRC, the same keyboard part was across at least the T400-20 series, as well as the standalone "Ultranav" keyboards they sold at the time) - so hopefully one of those keyboards could be used, assuming the connector hasn't changed. Not sure about the palm rest, though.

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RE[2]: Comment by joekiser
by joekiser on Sat 7th Oct 2017 13:01 in reply to "RE: Comment by joekiser"
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2005-06-30

The keyboard looks identical to the one on my T410s & T420s (IIRC, the same keyboard part was across at least the T400-20 series, as well as the standalone "Ultranav" keyboards they sold at the time) - so hopefully one of those keyboards could be used, assuming the connector hasn't changed. Not sure about the palm rest, though.


The keyboard only looks like the most recent traditional keyboard (the final iteration with the larger ESC and Delete keys), but it is is backlit, the power button doesn't seem to be part of the keyboard, and it has entirely different connectors since the T440 series. In short, it is not swappable with the pre-*30 keyboards.

It also cannot be retrofitted into current ThinkPads since there was a redesign of the C cover for this anniversary edition.

In hindsight, I was probably wrong about the T25 keyboard showing wear. Since it is backlit with no spacing between the keys, it implies that the lettering on the keys is transparent, which means the letters will likely *not* wear off as has been the case on all of the Lenovo chiclet keyboards. A strong bit of craftsmanship if that's what Lenovo really did.

Regarding the screen, the only knock is that it was 1080p instead of 1440p. Starting with the T510 (and T420 for the 14" models), all traditional ThinkPad laptops have been 16:9. That's going on eight years now, which makes it the second longest span of a single screen ratio in ThinkPad history.

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

"The keyboard looks identical to the one on my T410s & T420s (IIRC, the same keyboard part was across at least the T400-20 series, as well as the standalone "Ultranav" keyboards they sold at the time) - so hopefully one of those keyboards could be used, assuming the connector hasn't changed. Not sure about the palm rest, though.


The keyboard only looks like the most recent traditional keyboard (the final iteration with the larger ESC and Delete keys), but it is is backlit, the power button doesn't seem to be part of the keyboard, and it has entirely different connectors since the T440 series. In short, it is not swappable with the pre-*30 keyboards.
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That's a shame. Though that being the case, if model sells well, then perhaps Lenovo will keep making the keyboard and offer it as a BTO option on other ThinkPad models. While I do prefer the styling of classic ThinkPads, that's (to me) just the icing - the "cake" is the keyboard, and the easily-serviceable internals... though I've heard next-to-nothing about the T25 in regards to the latter, it could very well just be another modern "everything soldered onto the mobo & impossible to service without Louis Rossman-level skills" ultrabook.

Regarding the screen, the only knock is that it was 1080p instead of 1440p. Starting with the T510 (and T420 for the 14" models), all traditional ThinkPad laptops have been 16:9. That's going on eight years now, which makes it the second longest span of a single screen ratio in ThinkPad history.


I don't really agree with the reasoning there - that span also encompasses what are generally considered to be some of the worst ThinkPad models, so I wouldn't expect many ThinkPad traditionalists to have much fondness for 16:9 screens, even in just the "honour by association" sense. I always saw that change as merely a lazy cost-cutting measure on Lenovo's part - a perception that wasn't helped by the way they handled the transition: the lid on my T420s (16:9) is the same size as on my T410s (16:10), but Lenovo just increased the height the bottom bezel on the T420s to make up for the reduced height of the new display. It's still noticeable in photos of the T25 as well, it's obvious from the height of the bottom bezel that the lid could have easily accommodated a taller screen.

And for what it's worth, I preferred the 16:10 screens for reasons of functionality/practicality, not traditionalism. I found 16:10 to be a nice compromise between 4:3 and 16:9 - the benefits of a modern widescreen aspect ratio, without losing as much screen real estate/height (relative to the screen width) as with 16:9. While I don't know for certain, I suspect that the switch to 16:9 is part of the reason why ThinkPads lost the 7 row keyboard to begin with: when they redesigned the case to fit a less-tall screen, they would have had to reduce the size of the body to match the shorter lid - and reducing the keyboard's height by one row probably seemed like the easiest way to do it.

Edited 2017-10-07 16:42 UTC

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