Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 26th Nov 2005 17:02 UTC, submitted by Megatux
"I followed the debate about a successor for the C/C++ combination as the primary language for developing the GNOME core desktop platform very closely last month. There has been discussion about a number of options. What I would like to do on this page is give an overview how a probably less well-known language might be a viable compromise as a C/C++ successor. This language is called Eiffel and exists for over a decade. Eiffel takes the principle of Object-Oriented programming to its extremes and, as a consequence, is a very easy to learn language."
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RE[2]: There are easier ways to kill GNOME
by rayiner on Sat 26th Nov 2005 18:50
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Syntax is largely immaterial. A little bit of a learning curve is no problem for something you're going to be using to build very large programs. The question really is semantics. It seems to me that Eiffel hails from the same side of the language debate as Pascal, and honestly, in this day of highly dynamic languages like Ruby, Python, and even Objective-C becoming popular, do we really need to retread that old road?
RE[3]: There are easier ways to kill GNOME
by corentin on Sat 26th Nov 2005 19:17
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> The question really is semantics. It seems to me that Eiffel hails from the same side of the language debate as Pascal, and honestly, in this day of highly dynamic languages like Ruby, Python, and even Objective-C becoming popular, do we really need to retread that old road?
Hum... I find it easier to understand the semantics of static languages compared to very dynamic or abstract languages.
And syntax and semantics ARE very related to each other.
RE[3]: There are easier ways to kill GNOME
by dylansmrjones on Sun 27th Nov 2005 02:26
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Now what's wrong with Pascal?
Object Pascal is C++ done right 
It doesn't really matter anymore what language to use. So Gnome should support all of them. Eiffel is a possibility, but it's not exactly widely used, so moving from C to C++ in Gnome would be better.
Writing the major part of Gnome in C was a major mistake. C++, Java (compiled to native bytecode), Object Pascal are all better to do a task like Gnome.
RE[2]: There are easier ways to kill GNOME
by Ronald Vos on Sat 26th Nov 2005 20:39
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> Using an exot like Eiffel would drain the source for fresh developers even more and therefore switching to Eiffel (or any other exotic language) would effectivly kill the GNOME project quickly.
Eiffel is NOT a language for the language lawyers; it is designed to be very simple to learn, write and read. Its syntax is very straightforward.
Unfortunately, this is a not so known language, so using it in GNOME would be a very good thing to make it much more popular.