Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd Oct 2017 10:42 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

Over the weekend, people with review units of the Pixel 2 XL began noticing a problem. No, not the already-known issues of muddy color and grainy textures when viewed in low-light, but one that's potentially more worrisome: screen burn-in. First reported on Twitter by Android Central's Alex Dobie, multiple people have noticed that when you look at the screen with a gray background, you can see faint outlines of the phone's navigation buttons on the bottom.

You can see it below, and I can confirm I'm seeing something similar on my own review unit.

The display problems of the Pixel 2 XL - due to its LG-made panel - are baffling. Google claims it's getting serious about hardware, but putting a panel in your flagship phone that isn't only sub-par when it's working, but is also showing burn-in after mere days of use, is wholly and utterly inexcusable. This is not a budget, €150 phone - this is a flagship phone with a flagship price, and consumers deserve better than this clearly garbage display.

Another year, another round of flagships, another year of the iPhone simply being the best all-round option for most, normal people. For most average, normal people, the iPhone will give them an easy-to-use, secure, and updated phone with a decent resale value two to three years down the line. Additionally, Apple Stores or official Apple retailers are widespread, so you often have easy access to in-person customer service.

Samsung/HTC/LG phones don't get updates - or only six months after the fact - but carry the same flagship price, often leaving their users with insecure and out of date software. The Nexus program no longer exists, and Google's Pixel phones are only available in like 2 countries, and on top of that, its flagship model has a display worse than my Palm T|X. The Android market is in a terrible state right now.

Anybody who doesn't care about software and hardware the way most of us do is, years and years in, still best served by an iPhone. Depending on budget, get an iPhone 6S, 7, or 8 (forget the ridiculously overpriced iPhone X); the Android world simply doesn't have a phone that can compete with any of those three - and that's a sad state of affairs. Google has been wholly unable to address the biggest problems Android suffers from - most notably, updates - and we're way past the point where this can be excused without really scraping the bottom of the barrel of excuses.

Suggesting non-nerdy, regular people get an Android phone at this point in time is simply irresponsible.

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RE[3]: Privilege
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 24th Oct 2017 14:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Privilege"
Bill Shooter of Bul
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2006-07-14

That was not in the list from Thom and doesn't just have lower cost (still 419 Euro for 32GB) but also just a 4" screen with "640p" resolution which basically means that typing on the virtual keyboard with my fingers would be a nightmare. It is normal for Apple to "upcharge" a bigger screen for 100 Euro but "downcharging" 100 Euro for an even smaller screen is apparently also possible.


You know, it wasn't that long ago that a 4 inch screen was considered large...

Correct, that is why I bought several Lumia 1520 that I expect to last for about 5 years and cost me less than 100 Euro per year while still feeling highend and getting updates and support.


Not sure what the security updates looks like for Windows Devices. Anyone know?

I am aware of the promise of Apple like os updates are not the case as only some devices made it to windows 8 from windows 7, and only some of them were upgraded from 8 to 10 and a smaller amount were updated from 10 to 10 creators update. I'd hope they'd all get security updates though.

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RE[4]: Privilege
by avgalen on Tue 24th Oct 2017 20:07 in reply to "RE[3]: Privilege"
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2010-09-23

You know, it wasn't that long ago that a 4 inch screen was considered large...

Only on iOS where there was that whole '3.5"' is the perfect size thing going on. As always Apple let Android do all the pioneering and when they saw that everyone was moving to the bigger screens they still only made the 4" before they finally went into the "medium and large" models that they have been making for the last 3 years.
I started with a Nokia N97 which I would hardly consider a smartphone. The very next thing was a 4.7" 1020 which I considered medium and loved so much that I gave my wife a 6" 1520. Same for my mother and myself.

Not sure what the security updates looks like for Windows Devices. Anyone know?

It is basically the same for Windows 10 Mobile as for normal Windows 10. (patch tuesday every month with bugfixes, "redstone" OS+feature updates twice per year). However devices aren't infinitely supported like they are on normal Windows 10. Microsoft promised that every device that was capable of running Windows 10 mobile (512 MB of RAM, 8 GB of diskspace) would get the upgrade but then reneged on that promise and left most devices behind. However, you could join the Insider Program and move to Windows 10 Mobile anyway. Currently they are about to receive the 1709 update and support will now continue for another 3 years until October 13 2020. Source: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fac... (wikipedia mentions "Mainstream support until June 11, 2019"). In reality nobody is expecting much in terms of OS+Feature updates anymore but the monthly bugfixes keep pouring in for our ancient devices and the latest Krack bug got fixed on my phone before the information became public.

I am aware of the promise of Apple like os updates are not the case as only some devices made it to windows 8 from windows 7, and only some of them were upgraded from 8 to 10 and a smaller amount were updated from 10 to 10 creators update. I'd hope they'd all get security updates though.

The phones that were left behind on 8 continued to get security updates until a few months ago. I could force my 1020 to 10 and I think it would still be on a ring that would receive monthly patches but I am not sure. I will actually grab it from the box, see how it goes, and update this post later.

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v RE[5]: Privilege
by fedyac on Tue 24th Oct 2017 20:25 in reply to "RE[4]: Privilege"