Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd Oct 2017 10:42 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

Over the weekend, people with review units of the Pixel 2 XL began noticing a problem. No, not the already-known issues of muddy color and grainy textures when viewed in low-light, but one that's potentially more worrisome: screen burn-in. First reported on Twitter by Android Central's Alex Dobie, multiple people have noticed that when you look at the screen with a gray background, you can see faint outlines of the phone's navigation buttons on the bottom.

You can see it below, and I can confirm I'm seeing something similar on my own review unit.

The display problems of the Pixel 2 XL - due to its LG-made panel - are baffling. Google claims it's getting serious about hardware, but putting a panel in your flagship phone that isn't only sub-par when it's working, but is also showing burn-in after mere days of use, is wholly and utterly inexcusable. This is not a budget, €150 phone - this is a flagship phone with a flagship price, and consumers deserve better than this clearly garbage display.

Another year, another round of flagships, another year of the iPhone simply being the best all-round option for most, normal people. For most average, normal people, the iPhone will give them an easy-to-use, secure, and updated phone with a decent resale value two to three years down the line. Additionally, Apple Stores or official Apple retailers are widespread, so you often have easy access to in-person customer service.

Samsung/HTC/LG phones don't get updates - or only six months after the fact - but carry the same flagship price, often leaving their users with insecure and out of date software. The Nexus program no longer exists, and Google's Pixel phones are only available in like 2 countries, and on top of that, its flagship model has a display worse than my Palm T|X. The Android market is in a terrible state right now.

Anybody who doesn't care about software and hardware the way most of us do is, years and years in, still best served by an iPhone. Depending on budget, get an iPhone 6S, 7, or 8 (forget the ridiculously overpriced iPhone X); the Android world simply doesn't have a phone that can compete with any of those three - and that's a sad state of affairs. Google has been wholly unable to address the biggest problems Android suffers from - most notably, updates - and we're way past the point where this can be excused without really scraping the bottom of the barrel of excuses.

Suggesting non-nerdy, regular people get an Android phone at this point in time is simply irresponsible.

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RE[8]: Privilege
by avgalen on Wed 25th Oct 2017 15:10 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Privilege"
avgalen
Member since:
2010-09-23

I don't have time to check or compare everything here, but it is obvious that you are looking at everything too much from the iOS side.
* 326 dpi is high dpi, but 233 isn't? Because Retina?
* Haptic feedback needing to be Taptic engine?
* iPhone SE is a modern phone?

From your examples (all old) I still get the impression that Android used to copy iOS while the opposite is now the norm.
I don't see much (anything) that the S8 copied from Apple, but faceID, wireless charging, oled screen, bezelless design are all things that got copied the other way.

Your explanation about supply-volume needing to catch up makes a lot of sense, but it still doesn't explain why people should choose an iPhone.
Apple only used to have 1 phone per year, that became 2, now 3 and actually even more because they keep selling older phones for a much longer time. They need to do this to compete with all the choice that is available on the Android side but it isn't working as well anymore. Mid-level phones are now good enough for most people and Apples high-end is playing catch-up in features while asking exorbitant prices at every level.

Suggestion list for Apple to do next year:
* splitscreen and picture in picture (supported in iOS on iPad but not iPhone)
* pc-mode with mouse-support so there is finally a reason for all that CPU power
* making their pen work on the phone as well
* lower prices
* separate user accounts on iPad
* making their accessories work better on other platforms (look at what is happening with Microsoft now that they aren't limiting all their other products to their cashcow)

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RE[9]: Privilege
by fedyac on Wed 25th Oct 2017 19:55 in reply to "RE[8]: Privilege"
fedyac Member since:
2017-03-27

I don't have time to check or compare everything here, but it is obvious that you are looking at everything too much from the iOS side.
* 326 dpi is high dpi, but 233 isn't? Because Retina?
* Haptic feedback needing to be Taptic engine?
* iPhone SE is a modern phone?


233 dpi is not enough because you still can see the pixels, moreover Pentile exacerbates the issue there are half as many red and blue pixels than green. I had both phones at home so I can judge from first experience.

And iPhone SE is a modern phone yes : it is faster and takes better pictures than about 95% of the Android phones available, this is what matter to most people.

From your examples (all old) I still get the impression that Android used to copy iOS while the opposite is now the norm.
I don't see much (anything) that the S8 copied from Apple, but faceID, wireless charging, oled screen, bezelless design are all things that got copied the other way.


Please don’t compare face ID with the joke that is Samsung face recognition, it can be fooled by a photograph ! This is not in the same league. And bezel less design was in the pipeline for a long time, we had rumors about it for several years and Apple released its phone 6 months after Samsung, once again this is a by product of their release schedules : Samsung release its phones at the beginning of the year and Apple at the end of the year.

Your explanation about supply-volume needing to catch up makes a lot of sense, but it still doesn't explain why people should choose an iPhone.


best performance
Very good camera
Great customer support
OS updates for several year
Great support from third party apps
Great first party apps (imessage...)
There are quite a number of reasons

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RE[10]: Privilege
by avgalen on Thu 26th Oct 2017 21:20 in reply to "RE[9]: Privilege"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

I was doubting if I should respond again because you are indeed seeing everything purely from the Apple side. Sometimes you argue that 100ppi more is irrelevant, other times you argue that it is needed to be high dpi. Obviously you believe that 300 dpi is some magical number (because Retina) but then why would

You also keep hammering that phones need to be fast (with iPhone SE being extremely fast, but an S8 not being fast enough) while nobody seems to have any performance issues with their phones anymore.

The iPhone SE is not a modern phone because it has a small screen in a big body. There are Android phones that have a 5" screen in the same body size and that is clearly what people want nowadays: Big screens for a reasonable price.

You complained when I said that the screen in the iPhone X will not be as good as the one in the S8 (proven by reviews) but you just say that Apples face recognition will be in another league without any evidence.

If Android wouldn't have had bezelless phones coming on the market Apple wouldn't have made the iPhone X. The iPhone X is already on another release cycle compared to the 8 and 8+ so the later introduction of a bezelless design is not a result of that release cycle, they just cannot produce what Android manufacturers can.

I will grant you that Apple is the king of OS updates in the mobile space but all your other arguments aren't relevant.

There are plenty of Android phones out there with
* great performance
* great camera
* great customer support
* great support from third party apps
* great first party apps
* choice of interesting new features
* decent pricing
* earlier availability

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