Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd Oct 2017 10:42 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

Over the weekend, people with review units of the Pixel 2 XL began noticing a problem. No, not the already-known issues of muddy color and grainy textures when viewed in low-light, but one that's potentially more worrisome: screen burn-in. First reported on Twitter by Android Central's Alex Dobie, multiple people have noticed that when you look at the screen with a gray background, you can see faint outlines of the phone's navigation buttons on the bottom.

You can see it below, and I can confirm I'm seeing something similar on my own review unit.

The display problems of the Pixel 2 XL - due to its LG-made panel - are baffling. Google claims it's getting serious about hardware, but putting a panel in your flagship phone that isn't only sub-par when it's working, but is also showing burn-in after mere days of use, is wholly and utterly inexcusable. This is not a budget, €150 phone - this is a flagship phone with a flagship price, and consumers deserve better than this clearly garbage display.

Another year, another round of flagships, another year of the iPhone simply being the best all-round option for most, normal people. For most average, normal people, the iPhone will give them an easy-to-use, secure, and updated phone with a decent resale value two to three years down the line. Additionally, Apple Stores or official Apple retailers are widespread, so you often have easy access to in-person customer service.

Samsung/HTC/LG phones don't get updates - or only six months after the fact - but carry the same flagship price, often leaving their users with insecure and out of date software. The Nexus program no longer exists, and Google's Pixel phones are only available in like 2 countries, and on top of that, its flagship model has a display worse than my Palm T|X. The Android market is in a terrible state right now.

Anybody who doesn't care about software and hardware the way most of us do is, years and years in, still best served by an iPhone. Depending on budget, get an iPhone 6S, 7, or 8 (forget the ridiculously overpriced iPhone X); the Android world simply doesn't have a phone that can compete with any of those three - and that's a sad state of affairs. Google has been wholly unable to address the biggest problems Android suffers from - most notably, updates - and we're way past the point where this can be excused without really scraping the bottom of the barrel of excuses.

Suggesting non-nerdy, regular people get an Android phone at this point in time is simply irresponsible.

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RE[10]: Privilege
by avgalen on Thu 26th Oct 2017 21:20 UTC in reply to "RE[9]: Privilege"
avgalen
Member since:
2010-09-23

I was doubting if I should respond again because you are indeed seeing everything purely from the Apple side. Sometimes you argue that 100ppi more is irrelevant, other times you argue that it is needed to be high dpi. Obviously you believe that 300 dpi is some magical number (because Retina) but then why would

You also keep hammering that phones need to be fast (with iPhone SE being extremely fast, but an S8 not being fast enough) while nobody seems to have any performance issues with their phones anymore.

The iPhone SE is not a modern phone because it has a small screen in a big body. There are Android phones that have a 5" screen in the same body size and that is clearly what people want nowadays: Big screens for a reasonable price.

You complained when I said that the screen in the iPhone X will not be as good as the one in the S8 (proven by reviews) but you just say that Apples face recognition will be in another league without any evidence.

If Android wouldn't have had bezelless phones coming on the market Apple wouldn't have made the iPhone X. The iPhone X is already on another release cycle compared to the 8 and 8+ so the later introduction of a bezelless design is not a result of that release cycle, they just cannot produce what Android manufacturers can.

I will grant you that Apple is the king of OS updates in the mobile space but all your other arguments aren't relevant.

There are plenty of Android phones out there with
* great performance
* great camera
* great customer support
* great support from third party apps
* great first party apps
* choice of interesting new features
* decent pricing
* earlier availability

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RE[11]: Privil
by fedyac on Thu 26th Oct 2017 22:27 in reply to "RE[10]: Privilege"
fedyac Member since:
2017-03-27

I was doubting if I should respond again because you are indeed seeing everything purely from the Apple side. Sometimes you argue that 100ppi more is irrelevant, other times you argue that it is needed to be high dpi. Obviously you believe that 300 dpi is some magical number (because Retina) but then why would


You keep ignoring the pentile argument that I’ve given time and time again : in practice the dpi of the Galaxy S is less than 233dpi. And of course there is a number where pixels are not visible anymore and after that it’s overkill, it.s no magic just science, search for something called « law of diminushing return »

I can’t believe you can’t understand such a simple thing or if you’re just trolling me. Heck if a 100dpi difference is irrelevant and 233 is a high dpi display so the first iPhone with its 130 dpi had a high dpi display ? Do you get now why reasoning like this makes no sense at all ? There is a threshold where the human vision can’t resolve the pixels anymore and it happen to be in the 300dpi ballpark.

Like I said I had both phones, if you could try them iyou wouldn’t argue anymore : there is a clear difference in display resolution, particularly visible around text edges.

You also keep hammering that phones need to be fast (with iPhone SE being extremely fast, but an S8 not being fast enough) while nobody seems to have any performance issues with their phones anymore.


You live in a curious world, I wonder why people change their phones if everything is wonderful and phones are fast enough for everyone.

There are Android phones that have a 5" screen in the same body size


Ok like which one ? I’m really curious and would love to see an example. Even Sony compact phones are larger and they only have 4.6 display...

and that is clearly what people want nowadays: Big screens for a reasonable price.


Indeed and this is the reason why Apple doesn’t sell any phones right ? Oh wait...

You complained when I said that the screen in the iPhone X will not be as good as the one in the S8 (proven by reviews) but you just say that Apples face recognition will be in another league without any evidence.


The technology behind FaceID is a lot more advanced this is why I was arguing that you can’t compare that to Samsung face recognition which doesnt bring anything new to the table. We will have to wait to see the results in practice but I’m sure you can recognize that embedding a depth camera inside a phone is no small feat and wasn’t done before.

If Android wouldn't have had bezelless phones coming on the market Apple wouldn't have made the iPhone X.


I don’t agree. Not at all, a modern smartphone takes a lot of time in the making and Apple was working with edge to edge display way before an Android phone was released with such a diplay. This is not something you can add to an existing design in 3 months.

they just cannot produce what Android manufacturers can.

Oh come on... Essential a small start up could build a phone with a bezelless display but Apple, the richest company in the world could not ? Please, be serious.

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There are plenty of Android phones out there with
* great performance
* great camera
* great customer support
* great support from third party apps
* great first party apps
* choice of interesting new features
* decent pricing
* earlier availability


But Apple sells more premium phones than all of them... So the vast majority of the smartphone buyers don’t agree with you. And I wonder which first party apps you’re referring to. Basically all phone makers apps are junk and every Android users out there wants the pure Android experience so this is funny to see you using this argument.

In the end I think we can agree to disagree, this discussion won’t lead us anywhere.

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RE[12]: Privil
by avgalen on Fri 27th Oct 2017 09:06 in reply to "RE[11]: Privil"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

The topic was high dpi, which you conflate to Retina. We don't disagree about Apple pioneering Retina or the idea that "around 300 dpi the law of diminishing returns start to apply". High dpi has to do with scaling though and for a long time iOS couldn't scale except for just doubling or trippling the resolution.

That is why I keep saying that you look at everything from the Apple point of view too much.
For you high dpi means Retina
For you haptic feedback means Taptic Engine
For you fingerprint readers have to be like the iPhone Homebutton
For you facial recognition has to be like FaceID
For you fast means A11, but A9 is also fast enough
You think Apple is the richest company in the world

People aren't upgrading their phones every 2 years like they used to because phones have gotten good enough to last longer. Of course there are still people upgrading their phones because they like more storage, more screen, a new cool toy, or in the US because "their plan basically forces them too" but the general trends are that people keep their phones longer, are more satisfied with them and buy more and more Androids and less and less iPhones.

Bezelless phones have been in the making for a while indeed. The Xiaomi Mi Mix was probably the first real one last year so talking about development cycles is not an excuse. This year Apple still released their main phones without any redesign and huge bezzels while only releasing their "future phone" as bezzelless with a huge price-increase. So Apple is simply behind the curve here.

Apple does sell more premium phones than any other OEM, but it doesn't sell more premium phones than Android in total and most other people are apparently not willing to spend money for a premium phone or satisfied with their non-premium phone so the vast majority of smartphone buyers does agree with me.

You even seem to think that first party apps are phone makers apps. First party apps are Android apps like Google Maps and Google Assistant. Not all phone makers apps (2nd party) are junk at all. Samsung has included picture-in-picture/multi-window and for example a much better camera apps. The ability to write on the display with a stylus on a Note8 isn't junk either.

The one special thing about the iPhone is that it runs iOS. If anyone else would have released the iPhone 8 or X for these pricepoints at that time they would have been reviewed as "meh".
There is nothing wrong with buying an iPhone, but there is also nothing wrong with buying an Android.
I personally think that Android offers a lot more value-for-money and doesn't lack anything that iOS does except for a good update mechanism.

P.S. Just a reminder, I use a Windows Phone but of course I am looking around me to see what is out there and I test a lot of apps and websites on many devices for my work.

P.S. 2: "embedding a depth camera inside a phone is no small feat and wasn’t done before." You obviously haven't heard about Google's Tango: "Tango is an advanced type of next-generation camera tech for phones. It's basically an array of cameras that enables depth sensing in 3D."

Edited 2017-10-27 09:10 UTC

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