Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd Oct 2017 10:42 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

Over the weekend, people with review units of the Pixel 2 XL began noticing a problem. No, not the already-known issues of muddy color and grainy textures when viewed in low-light, but one that's potentially more worrisome: screen burn-in. First reported on Twitter by Android Central's Alex Dobie, multiple people have noticed that when you look at the screen with a gray background, you can see faint outlines of the phone's navigation buttons on the bottom.

You can see it below, and I can confirm I'm seeing something similar on my own review unit.

The display problems of the Pixel 2 XL - due to its LG-made panel - are baffling. Google claims it's getting serious about hardware, but putting a panel in your flagship phone that isn't only sub-par when it's working, but is also showing burn-in after mere days of use, is wholly and utterly inexcusable. This is not a budget, €150 phone - this is a flagship phone with a flagship price, and consumers deserve better than this clearly garbage display.

Another year, another round of flagships, another year of the iPhone simply being the best all-round option for most, normal people. For most average, normal people, the iPhone will give them an easy-to-use, secure, and updated phone with a decent resale value two to three years down the line. Additionally, Apple Stores or official Apple retailers are widespread, so you often have easy access to in-person customer service.

Samsung/HTC/LG phones don't get updates - or only six months after the fact - but carry the same flagship price, often leaving their users with insecure and out of date software. The Nexus program no longer exists, and Google's Pixel phones are only available in like 2 countries, and on top of that, its flagship model has a display worse than my Palm T|X. The Android market is in a terrible state right now.

Anybody who doesn't care about software and hardware the way most of us do is, years and years in, still best served by an iPhone. Depending on budget, get an iPhone 6S, 7, or 8 (forget the ridiculously overpriced iPhone X); the Android world simply doesn't have a phone that can compete with any of those three - and that's a sad state of affairs. Google has been wholly unable to address the biggest problems Android suffers from - most notably, updates - and we're way past the point where this can be excused without really scraping the bottom of the barrel of excuses.

Suggesting non-nerdy, regular people get an Android phone at this point in time is simply irresponsible.

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RE[12]: Privil
by avgalen on Fri 27th Oct 2017 09:06 UTC in reply to "RE[11]: Privil"
avgalen
Member since:
2010-09-23

The topic was high dpi, which you conflate to Retina. We don't disagree about Apple pioneering Retina or the idea that "around 300 dpi the law of diminishing returns start to apply". High dpi has to do with scaling though and for a long time iOS couldn't scale except for just doubling or trippling the resolution.

That is why I keep saying that you look at everything from the Apple point of view too much.
For you high dpi means Retina
For you haptic feedback means Taptic Engine
For you fingerprint readers have to be like the iPhone Homebutton
For you facial recognition has to be like FaceID
For you fast means A11, but A9 is also fast enough
You think Apple is the richest company in the world

People aren't upgrading their phones every 2 years like they used to because phones have gotten good enough to last longer. Of course there are still people upgrading their phones because they like more storage, more screen, a new cool toy, or in the US because "their plan basically forces them too" but the general trends are that people keep their phones longer, are more satisfied with them and buy more and more Androids and less and less iPhones.

Bezelless phones have been in the making for a while indeed. The Xiaomi Mi Mix was probably the first real one last year so talking about development cycles is not an excuse. This year Apple still released their main phones without any redesign and huge bezzels while only releasing their "future phone" as bezzelless with a huge price-increase. So Apple is simply behind the curve here.

Apple does sell more premium phones than any other OEM, but it doesn't sell more premium phones than Android in total and most other people are apparently not willing to spend money for a premium phone or satisfied with their non-premium phone so the vast majority of smartphone buyers does agree with me.

You even seem to think that first party apps are phone makers apps. First party apps are Android apps like Google Maps and Google Assistant. Not all phone makers apps (2nd party) are junk at all. Samsung has included picture-in-picture/multi-window and for example a much better camera apps. The ability to write on the display with a stylus on a Note8 isn't junk either.

The one special thing about the iPhone is that it runs iOS. If anyone else would have released the iPhone 8 or X for these pricepoints at that time they would have been reviewed as "meh".
There is nothing wrong with buying an iPhone, but there is also nothing wrong with buying an Android.
I personally think that Android offers a lot more value-for-money and doesn't lack anything that iOS does except for a good update mechanism.

P.S. Just a reminder, I use a Windows Phone but of course I am looking around me to see what is out there and I test a lot of apps and websites on many devices for my work.

P.S. 2: "embedding a depth camera inside a phone is no small feat and wasn’t done before." You obviously haven't heard about Google's Tango: "Tango is an advanced type of next-generation camera tech for phones. It's basically an array of cameras that enables depth sensing in 3D."

Edited 2017-10-27 09:10 UTC

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RE[13]: Privil
by fedyac on Fri 27th Oct 2017 10:07 in reply to "RE[12]: Privil"
fedyac Member since:
2017-03-27

For you high dpi means Retina


High dpi means I can't see the pixels anymore

For you haptic feedback means Taptic Engine


haptic feedback means something more advanced than a vibration motor that was already here in my Nokia 3310

For you fingerprint readers have to be like the iPhone Homebutton


Fingerprints readers that works reliably and quickly. Look at what was available on Android before Touch ID like for example the Motorola Atrix, you had to swipe your finger and it wasn't working reliably so it failed to catch on. The technology behind Touch ID was different you just have to rest your finger on the sensor and now all phones use a similar method.

For you facial recognition has to be like FaceID


No, just something a bit more advanced and exciting than basic computer vision algorithm that can be done on any phone with a front facing camera.

You think Apple is the richest company in the world


Richest tech company if you want to be pedantic

buy more and more Androids and less and less iPhones.


Sorry but facts do no back up your claims here : Apple is selling a ton of iPhone and it is increasing.


There is nothing wrong with buying an iPhone, but there is also nothing wrong with buying an Android.


In the end at least a statement where we both agree !

P.S. 2: "embedding a depth camera inside a phone is no small feat and wasn’t done before." You obviously haven't heard about Google's Tango: "Tango is an advanced type of next-generation camera tech for phones. It's basically an array of cameras that enables depth sensing in 3D."


Indeed I've completely forgotten about Tango since I've first heard about it 7 years ago just like everybody else I guess, two phones were released this year and were pretty underwhelming and I bet we won't see another one in the future. Just like I've forgotten Project Ara and all the other initiative that Google takes and then gives up. But indeed you have a point, my bad.

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RE[14]: Privil
by avgalen on Fri 27th Oct 2017 12:34 in reply to "RE[13]: Privil"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

High dpi means I can't see the pixels anymore

No, that is not what it means at all, that is just what you think it means. Please read up on the history of "normal" dpi (72 -> 96) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dots_per_inch#Computer_monitor_DPI_sta.... And maybe this is interesting for you as well because it specifically mentions HiDPI as 213-340: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_density#Named_pixel_densities

haptic feedback means something more advanced than a vibration motor that was already here in my Nokia 3310

No, again that is what it means to you because you are too far into an Apple mindset. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haptic_technology#Mobile_devices (even mentions the improvement Apple did)

"buy more and more Androids and less and less iPhones.

Sorry but facts do no back up your claims here : Apple is selling a ton of iPhone and it is increasing.
"
https://www.statista.com/statistics/216459/global-market-share-of-ap...
https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/23/iphone-market-share-gartner-q1-2017/
https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os
You can see everywhere that year-over-year the trend is downwards for Apple and upwards for Android. The yearly peak from Apple is getting lower and while the entire market is growing that is happening mostly at the bottom to midrange where Apple doesn't sell products so Apple is dropping in market share (sales are flat in a growing market)

Next time you mention "facts that do not back up claims" you should provide some facts to back up your claims!

My point isn't that Apple isn't improving, it is that Android is improving quicker and that the market has made a huge swing to the Android direction that doesn't look like it is reversible.
Apple has by far the biggest margins on their products and that means they basically have unlimited R&D resources. However they have chosen to only release a very limited amount of products to a relatively limited target audience. This makes sense from a companies point of view that is optimizing for profit and the results for Apple have been amazing. More and more people are realizing that the high price isn't realistic anymore because the competition has caught up and sometimes surpassed them for a much lower price

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