Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd Oct 2017 10:42 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

Over the weekend, people with review units of the Pixel 2 XL began noticing a problem. No, not the already-known issues of muddy color and grainy textures when viewed in low-light, but one that's potentially more worrisome: screen burn-in. First reported on Twitter by Android Central's Alex Dobie, multiple people have noticed that when you look at the screen with a gray background, you can see faint outlines of the phone's navigation buttons on the bottom.

You can see it below, and I can confirm I'm seeing something similar on my own review unit.

The display problems of the Pixel 2 XL - due to its LG-made panel - are baffling. Google claims it's getting serious about hardware, but putting a panel in your flagship phone that isn't only sub-par when it's working, but is also showing burn-in after mere days of use, is wholly and utterly inexcusable. This is not a budget, €150 phone - this is a flagship phone with a flagship price, and consumers deserve better than this clearly garbage display.

Another year, another round of flagships, another year of the iPhone simply being the best all-round option for most, normal people. For most average, normal people, the iPhone will give them an easy-to-use, secure, and updated phone with a decent resale value two to three years down the line. Additionally, Apple Stores or official Apple retailers are widespread, so you often have easy access to in-person customer service.

Samsung/HTC/LG phones don't get updates - or only six months after the fact - but carry the same flagship price, often leaving their users with insecure and out of date software. The Nexus program no longer exists, and Google's Pixel phones are only available in like 2 countries, and on top of that, its flagship model has a display worse than my Palm T|X. The Android market is in a terrible state right now.

Anybody who doesn't care about software and hardware the way most of us do is, years and years in, still best served by an iPhone. Depending on budget, get an iPhone 6S, 7, or 8 (forget the ridiculously overpriced iPhone X); the Android world simply doesn't have a phone that can compete with any of those three - and that's a sad state of affairs. Google has been wholly unable to address the biggest problems Android suffers from - most notably, updates - and we're way past the point where this can be excused without really scraping the bottom of the barrel of excuses.

Suggesting non-nerdy, regular people get an Android phone at this point in time is simply irresponsible.

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RE[14]: Privil
by avgalen on Fri 27th Oct 2017 12:34 UTC in reply to "RE[13]: Privil"
avgalen
Member since:
2010-09-23

High dpi means I can't see the pixels anymore

No, that is not what it means at all, that is just what you think it means. Please read up on the history of "normal" dpi (72 -> 96) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dots_per_inch#Computer_monitor_DPI_sta.... And maybe this is interesting for you as well because it specifically mentions HiDPI as 213-340: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_density#Named_pixel_densities

haptic feedback means something more advanced than a vibration motor that was already here in my Nokia 3310

No, again that is what it means to you because you are too far into an Apple mindset. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haptic_technology#Mobile_devices (even mentions the improvement Apple did)

"buy more and more Androids and less and less iPhones.

Sorry but facts do no back up your claims here : Apple is selling a ton of iPhone and it is increasing.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/216459/global-market-share-of-ap...
https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/23/iphone-market-share-gartner-q1-2017/
https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os
You can see everywhere that year-over-year the trend is downwards for Apple and upwards for Android. The yearly peak from Apple is getting lower and while the entire market is growing that is happening mostly at the bottom to midrange where Apple doesn't sell products so Apple is dropping in market share (sales are flat in a growing market)

Next time you mention "facts that do not back up claims" you should provide some facts to back up your claims!

My point isn't that Apple isn't improving, it is that Android is improving quicker and that the market has made a huge swing to the Android direction that doesn't look like it is reversible.
Apple has by far the biggest margins on their products and that means they basically have unlimited R&D resources. However they have chosen to only release a very limited amount of products to a relatively limited target audience. This makes sense from a companies point of view that is optimizing for profit and the results for Apple have been amazing. More and more people are realizing that the high price isn't realistic anymore because the competition has caught up and sometimes surpassed them for a much lower price

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RE[15]: Privil
by fedyac on Fri 27th Oct 2017 13:12 in reply to "RE[14]: Privil"
fedyac Member since:
2017-03-27


https://www.statista.com/statistics/216459/global-market-share-of-ap...
https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/23/iphone-market-share-gartner-q1-2017/
https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os
You can see everywhere that year-over-year the trend is downwards for Apple and upwards for Android. The yearly peak from Apple is getting lower and while the entire market is growing that is happening mostly at the bottom to midrange where Apple doesn't sell products so Apple is dropping in market share (sales are flat in a growing market)

Next time you mention "facts that do not back up claims" you should provide some facts to back up your claims!


https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/31/14455184/apple-q1-earnings-report...

You were saying that Apple was "selling less and less iPhones" this is wrong period. They hit their record high at the beginning of the year they're sellling more iPhones than before, you can try to spin it however you want it won't change the facts.

My point isn't that Apple isn't improving, it is that Android is improving quicker and that the market has made a huge swing to the Android direction that doesn't look like it is reversible.
Apple has by far the biggest margins on their products and that means they basically have unlimited R&D resources. However they have chosen to only release a very limited amount of products to a relatively limited target audience. This makes sense from a companies point of view that is optimizing for profit and the results for Apple have been amazing. More and more people are realizing that the high price isn't realistic anymore because the competition has caught up and sometimes surpassed them for a much lower price


My point is that Android phone makers were engaged in a race to the bottom on prices while Apple is racking the vast majority of the profits. This is not a sustainable business for Android phone makers. Competing on price alone won't be viable in the long term, this is exactly what happened to the PC business at the end of the 90s : selling anonymous beige boxes at an always lower price. And it crashed : IBM exited the business and even Dell and HP had to diversify.

And that's what will happen in the smartphone industry as well if things continue. HTC already gave up by selling most of its smartphone division to Google, LG is in bad shape, Sony is also losing money on its smartphone division. That leaves Samsung and Apple capturing 95% of the smartphone business profits, the rest fight for the crumbs. Until now everyone was obsessed by the shear volume and the growth of the market hiding the misery of the situation but now the growth is slowing, margins are always lower. That's the reason why smartphone makers are now trying to address the high end market where all the profits are made.

So of course Android wins on volume that's an evidence I won't dispute this but speaking about volumes alone doesn't say much about the state of the market.

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RE[16]: Privil
by avgalen on Fri 27th Oct 2017 15:32 in reply to "RE[15]: Privil"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

You are correct that Apple is selling more units in 2017 compared to 2016 but only by 2% so far (q1 was a huge exception with +5%) while the whole market in 2017 is growing by 9% in 2017.

How about in 2016?

With results for the last quarter of 2016 released on Tuesday, the world now knows Apple sold 215.4 million iPhones last year, 7% fewer than in 2015.

So it was indeed selling less and less, and that was in a market that was growing by 2%. So every year Apple is underperforming to the entire market and thus losing marketshare.

We agree that Apple is racking in the vast majority of the profits. For some reason you think this is good for you as a consumer. So far Apple hasn't done much with all this money that benefited consumers, mostly they are just hiding it in tax havens. Apple could easily lower their prices but they don't. That is why many people consider them greedy. I personally think you should charge whatever your customers are willing to pay, but then those customers should realize they are overpaying.

You are saying the pc business crashed at the end of the 90's because of the race to the bottom, however I am now using a much cheaper machine with incredible improvements from (basically) all the same players as before. Apparently it is okay to have high volume, low margin for almost everyone for decades.

Apple now has a marketshare of about 15%. As long as they can keep it above 10% they will not loose any developer, but if they start dropping below that (3 years on the current trajectory) they might feel the effect of "the network effect". Things like iMessage aren't as useful if only 1 out of your 10 friends has it as well. If < 10% of your personnel has an iPhone you might not test your website or emailserver with that OS. Of course that 10% is a number that I made up but it is a psychological border. Just imagine a headline "iOS marketshare dips into single digits, Android close to a monopoly"

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