Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 6th Nov 2017 15:31 UTC
Intel

Well, this is the kind of news you don't hear every day: Intel and AMD are teaming up to develop a processor that combines an Intel CPU with an AMD GPU. From Intel's press release:

The new product, which will be part of our 8th Gen Intel Core family, brings together our high-performing Intel Core H-series processor, second generation High Bandwidth Memory (HBM2) and a custom-to-Intel third-party discrete graphics chip from AMD's Radeon Technologies Group* - all in a single processor package.

It’s a prime example of hardware and software innovations intersecting to create something amazing that fills a unique market gap. Helping to deliver on our vision for this new class of product, we worked with the team at AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group. In close collaboration, we designed a new semi-custom graphics chip, which means this is also a great example of how we can compete and work together, ultimately delivering innovation that is good for consumers.

This is the first partnership between these two sworn rivals in several decades, and that alone makes it quite notable. I didn't really know whether to put this in the Intel or AMD category, but I chose Intel because it appears above AMD in our list (which isn't alphabetical because reasons).

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RE[4]: Not April Fool's?
by tylerdurden on Wed 8th Nov 2017 17:59 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Not April Fool's?"
tylerdurden
Member since:
2009-03-17

Intel and NVidia have a weird relationship. I'd figure NV would be more pissed when intel basically turned the socket for their processors into a monopoly and stopped giving licenses for 3rd party chipset when the i-series was introduced. That almost sent nvidia under.


Also remember a lot of x86 vendors back in the 80s/90s were 2nd sources. I.e. they were simply fabbing intel designs, and paying them a royalty, since some of the early contracts with large PC vendors, IBM and Compaq (and a few others) kind of specified intel had to allow 2nd sourcing, since they lack the capacity to meet the possible demand at that time.

I think only a few 3rd parties have been able to license the x86 and make their own designs. AMD, obviously, and Via. I think IBM had a temporary license to do their own 386/486 ISA implementations.

I wish the industry would have settled around an open ISA instead. Copyrighted instruction sets suck.

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RE[5]: Not April Fool's?
by Kochise on Wed 8th Nov 2017 18:54 in reply to "RE[4]: Not April Fool's?"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

x86 instructions set sucks, period.

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RE[6]: Not April Fool's?
by tylerdurden on Wed 8th Nov 2017 21:52 in reply to "RE[5]: Not April Fool's?"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Honestly, that's such a tired trope ;-). Since the 386, i.e. the mid 80s, on the x86 has been a fairly standard ISA.

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RE[5]: Not April Fool's?
by zima on Wed 8th Nov 2017 19:00 in reply to "RE[4]: Not April Fool's?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Hm, I don't remember any notable (or any at all?) Nv chipsets for Intel, apart from the chipset of Xbox1 ...which Nvidia turned into a succesfull line of AMD chipsets (so I guess they would be more pissed at AMD when the latter bought ATI). IIRC Via had more presence on Intel platform & mostly they were cut off by Intel...

Yes, a lot of x86 vendors in the 80s were 2nd sources, but not so much in the 90s, I think - they had a few independent designs: I remember NexGen (which was bought by AMD and formed the basis for K6), Cyrix (bought by Via), IDT Winchip ...somehow, it seems as if it was easier to license x86 from Intel back then, and the license wasn't lost in the case of buyout of the company (as it would happen now if somebody bought AMD)

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RE[6]: Not April Fool's?
by tylerdurden on Wed 8th Nov 2017 21:43 in reply to "RE[5]: Not April Fool's?"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

nvidia had a nice business going with the nforce chipset for intel during the Core days. They were basically the best chipsets for SLI (obviously), although they had some reliability issues.

Yeah, I think Intel got very protectionistic of X86 by the middle of the 90s. I was a kid back then, but I remember how they basically introduced the name pentium, so they could copyright the product line after the 486. And at some point they also ended up kicking out any 3rd parties from their sockets.

I don't know if ISAs were commonly copyrighted back in the 70s/80s. So probably that was the reason for the number of x86 cloners back then?

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RE[5]: Not April Fool's?
by Flatland_Spider on Thu 9th Nov 2017 15:01 in reply to "RE[4]: Not April Fool's?"
Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

Intel and NVidia have a weird relationship. I'd figure NV would be more pissed when intel basically turned the socket for their processors into a monopoly and stopped giving licenses for 3rd party chipset when the i-series was introduced.


That was probably the first shot fired. Nvidia retaliated and has held a grudge with both sides going back and forth.

Nvidia also doesn't play well with others. They want to do things their way.

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