Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Jan 2018 17:51 UTC
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Microsoft is making a bigger push to keep students and teachers using Windows this week. At the annual Bett education show in London, Microsoft is revealing new Windows 10 and Windows 10 S devices that are priced from just $189. The software giant is also partnering with the BBC, LEGO, NASA, PBS, and Pearson to bring a variety of Mixed Reality and video curricula to schools.

Lenovo has created a $189 100e laptop. It’s based on Intel’s Celeron Apollo Lake chips, so it’s a low-cost netbook essentially, designed for schools. Lenovo is also introducing its 300e, a 2-in-1 laptop with pen support, priced at $279. The new Lenovo devices are joined by two from JP, with a Windows Hello laptop priced at $199 and a pen and touch device at $299. All four laptops will be targeted towards education, designed to convince schools not to switch to Chromebooks.

I'm not sure if these wil persuade schools away from Chromebooks, but assuming non-education customers can get them as well, they may be great little machines for running secondary operating systems on.

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RE[2]: I'm a bit off but...
by Alfman on Tue 23rd Jan 2018 07:50 UTC in reply to "RE: I'm a bit off but..."
Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

bassbeast,

Because it isn't FOR you, its for schools and businesses?

This is why I HATE the "ZOMG Windows S means we won't get a full OS anymore OMG!" FUD because all Windows S is for is to give schools and business users an easy to control option where they don't have to worry about the users infecting the PCs because all the programs are vetted through the Windows Store. this lets them use normal business software (which is nearly all Windows only) and education titles (ditto) without having to worry about malware.


I know you hate it, but it is nevertheless a very legitimate criticism. Remember school laptops are being paid for by public tax dollars and not microsoft, they should not be restricted to microsoft or any other corporate control. It's one thing for school administrators to have control, this is completely justified, but it is NEVER going to be ok that microsoft dictates what schools are allowed to run. Frankly I'm tired of people who try to justify this.


The big difference between Windows S and ChromeOS is you have the option to make it a full OS without losing your programs, something that simply is not possible for ChromeOS which requires you to wipe the drive (no dual boot allowed last I checked) and install one of a handful of Linux distros (can't just install any OS you want) onto its locked down hardware. That means in a couple of years when these units are sent back after their leases are up they can be sold cheaply on the used market and if you want to make it a full Windows 10 laptop? You can change it to full Windows 10 for $50 which is a lot cheaper than the cost of a retail copy.


MS simply shouldn't have a say at all what the school does with 3rd party software. This is wrong. I shouldn't have to pay my car manufacturer a single cent for the right to use a 3rd party mechanic, and in the same vein I shouldn't have to pay microsoft for the right to go use 3rd party software!


What would you do if the federal government were forcing the schools to run only government approved software? Or if they imposed a computer use fee for the government to unlock your computer to 3rd party software? You don't have to answer because I know you all to well, you'd be up in arms over it, and rightfully so! But why oh why do you think it's ok for private corporations (microsoft, google, apple) to do the very same thing? Handing corporations this control sets an extremely dangerous precedent. If you cannot be convinced that corporate control over schools/students/teachers/users is bad in it's own right, then at least admit to yourself that as corporations keep building computer jails, these jails have the potential to be regulated by governments seeking to impose control too. Repressive government regimes and dictators must love where microsoft and others are going with this, but even in the US it won't be long before politicians start pushing bills that take advantage of this centralized control that private companies have over our computers. When that day comes, you'll have no right to complain about it...as much as you will hate it, because the truth will be that you were complicit in supporting the developments that led to us being locked down.


And sure, I already know you are going to respond saying this is all all big exaggeration. But if we don't stand up when rights and control are taken away from us gradually, then those changes set the new norms, which become accepted, and over time this is how all of our rights erode.

Edited 2018-01-23 08:08 UTC

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RE[3]: I'm a bit off but...
by avgalen on Tue 23rd Jan 2018 11:08 in reply to "RE[2]: I'm a bit off but..."
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

So you went from "Microsoft is adding a locked down version of Windows as an option" to "Dictators will force you to run only the software that they allow you to run"....yes, everyone would be correct to say that you exagerate!

Just because somebody is now making low-fat peanut-butter doesn't mean that the government is going to prevent anyone from eating chocolate-spread. It just means people that would like to buy low-fat peanut-butter now have to choice to do so. More choice is more freedom, not less!

* You do know that you can sideload?
* You do know that Microsoft also makes software that they would love schools to run, but doesn't run on these locked down devices?
* You do know that Microsoft is also making non locked down versions?
* You do know that Microsoft is not the only one making an OS?
* You do know that Microsoft is essentially a tool provider for developers that wants developers to make software instead of limit the development of software?

^^You are not only exagerating, you are paranoid.

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RE[4]: I'm a bit off but...
by bassbeast on Tue 23rd Jan 2018 11:36 in reply to "RE[3]: I'm a bit off but..."
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Isn't it just sad? These same ones who sang the praises of the DRMED TO THE 100TH POWER Chromebook (again no dual boot, only a limited number of "approved OSes" can be run) start just slinging FUD and screaming the sky is falling when MSFT sees that some schools and businesses would like an OOTB easy to lock down solution and gives them what they want.

News Flash...Nobody is forcing you to buy this, you can buy a laptop with plain Jane Windows 10 or Linux or BSD if that strikes your fancy, so why all this FUD? Are you REALLY so scared of MSFT that you wet yourself at the thought of them offering an OPTION that Google has offered for how many years now?

That is how a free market works folks, if enough people want a product then multiple companies will try to create that product. Do you think Google created Chromebooks out of the goodness of their little hearts? They did it to get users using their services young, just as Apple did for years with the Macs in schools program.

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RE[4]: I'm a bit off but...
by Alfman on Tue 23rd Jan 2018 14:44 in reply to "RE[3]: I'm a bit off but..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

avgalen,

So you went from "Microsoft is adding a locked down version of Windows as an option" to "Dictators will force you to run only the software that they allow you to run"....yes, everyone would be correct to say that you exagerate!


You say this, and yet this is exactly the process by which we loose our rights. History teaches us that rights have to be fought for, sometimes aggressively. You wouldn't accept a big change all at once, but you DO accept it as hundreds of small incremental changes, it simply goes under your radar but in the meantime the control keeps tightening. It saddens me, but I nevertheless recognize the fact that most people do behave this way.

^^You are not only exagerating, you are paranoid.


No, but I knew some of you would accuse me of that ;) I'm just aware of what technology is capable of in the hands of corporate-governmental institutions that never stop wanting more power. I know it's far more convenient to call me paranoid than to take a good look at how the changes taking shape and our inaction today will affect computer freedoms for our children and grandchildren.

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RE[3]: I'm a bit off but...
by dionicio on Tue 23rd Jan 2018 16:48 in reply to "RE[2]: I'm a bit off but..."
dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

Some Linux Distros have completely free Ed editions optimized for remote managed.

Kids would have to learn actual computing; Difficult.
Teachers would have to learn a bit of actual remote management ( ;) )!

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