Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Feb 2018 01:02 UTC
Windows

Windows 10 S, the Microsoft Store-only version of Windows, is going away, but not really.

Currently, Windows 10 S is a unique edition of Windows 10. It's based on Windows 10 Pro; Windows 10 Pro has various facilities that enable system administrators to restrict which software can be run, and Windows 10 S is essentially a preconfigured version of those facilities. In addition to locking out arbitrary downloaded programs, it also prevents the use of certain built-in Windows features such as the command-line, PowerShell, and Windows Subsystem for Linux.

For those who can't abide by the constraints that S imposes, you can upgrade 10 S to the full 10 Pro. This upgrade is a one-shot deal: there's no way of re-enabling the S limitations after upgrading to Pro. It's also a paid upgrade: while Microsoft offered it as a free upgrade for a limited time for its Surface Laptop, the regular price is $49.

Nothing much actually seems to be changing; it just turns Windows 10 S from a version into a mode. Pretty much a distinction without a difference. My biggest issue here is that you can't go from regular Windows 10 back to Windows 10 S if you ever had a reason to do so (e.g. if Windows were ever to be usable with just Metro apps in the future and you want the additional security Windows 10 S provides). Seems like an odd restriction.

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Mission creep is afoot
by Alfman on Wed 7th Feb 2018 04:55 UTC
Alfman
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2011-01-28

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/151582/exclusive-windows...

Going forward, Windows 10 S will no longer be a SKU offered by Microsoft. Instead, what they will be doing is offering S mode for all iterations of Windows 10 and frankly, this is a much better approach to the configurations.

For Home and Education SKUs, you will be able to upgrade from Home S, to Home for free but Pro users going from Pro S to Pro will be charged $49. On the commercial side, Pro S is only available with Core, Value, Entry, and Small Tablet (if this doesn’t make sense, check out my other post here) with Core+ and Workstations being left out of the offering.



Remember when windows 10s was only going to be applied to chromebook competitors? Turns out the mission creep theory wasn't so far fetched. Now it's creeping into even more mainstream markets and OEMs will be required to enable it by default. This is happening faster than I imagined.

And what's the deal with forcing pro versions to be locked down unless they pay more? Of all the user classifications, it makes the least sense for pro users to be stuck on windows-S and denied the right to run 3rd party software, switch browsers, switch search engine, etc... I'm sorry, but there's no defending this based on customers needs, this is all about microsoft trying to charge money for (what used to be) basic computer freedoms.

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RE: Mission creep is afoot
by avgalen on Wed 7th Feb 2018 05:53 in reply to "Mission creep is afoot"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

OEMs will be required to enable it by default

this is all about microsoft trying to charge money for (what used to be) basic computer freedoms

Don't spread FUD!
OEMs will not be required to enable it by default, they will be tempted by Microsoft to enable S mode by making S mode free/cheap

I think it is ridiculous that you cannot go back from "Full" to "S mode". This makes S mode just as much a mode as boiling an egg is (and I prefer my eggs hard-boiled!)

I expected S mode to be a different pay-model, where the initial cost would be about 25 Euro lower with the expectation that MS would earn back that difference from store purchases.
Many people would be happy to continue to run in S mode and those that would need "Full mode" would have to pay more than currently again earning Microsoft more money.

This current S mode idea means that I will still stick with my previous advice.
* Install Windows
* Add several non-store-apps that you really need
* Go to Settings, Apps, Apps & features, change "Installing apps" to "Allow apps from the Store only"
* Add store-apps for everying you want
* When you find out that you need another non-store-app, just change the setting back to "Allow apps from anywhere" temporarily"

The above idea is equivalent to making yourself a regular user instead of an admin. Of course you could just leave that setting on "Warn me before installing apps from outside the Store" which is equivalent to using UAC/sudo

I realise that S mode is about more than just installing non-store-apps, but that part is the only part that I think benefits users. Well, that and the lower future prices but we will have to see about that

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RE[2]: Mission creep is afoot
by Alfman on Wed 7th Feb 2018 07:12 in reply to "RE: Mission creep is afoot"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

avgalen,

Don't spread FUD!
OEMs will not be required to enable it by default, they will be tempted by Microsoft to enable S mode by making S mode free/cheap


So you're suggesting microsoft will bribe OEMs instead? I guess we'll see what happens.

At least the home users can elect to turn off the s-restrictions on their own devices for now, but what did I tell you last time? As restrictions are gradually phased in, they become the new normal.


This current S mode idea means that I will still stick with my previous advice.
* Install Windows
* Add several non-store-apps that you really need
* Go to Settings, Apps, Apps & features, change "Installing apps" to "Allow apps from the Store only"
* Add store-apps for everying you want
* When you find out that you need another non-store-app, just change the setting back to "Allow apps from anywhere" temporarily"

The above idea is equivalent to making yourself a regular user instead of an admin. Of course you could just leave that setting on "Warn me before installing apps from outside the Store" which is equivalent to using UAC/sudo


I agree, the way you want to use it is much better than "S-mode", however it isn't as useful to microsoft's agenda. Everyone agrees that security is important, but it must align with the owner's wishes, otherwise it's taking owner rights away, which is obviously what I'm against. I'm ok with security that works with us rather than against us.


I realise that S mode is about more than just installing non-store-apps, but that part is the only part that I think benefits users. Well, that and the lower future prices but we will have to see about that


It only benefits users if they aren't interested in 3rd party software, otherwise it's an impediment. Keep in mind that s-mode blocks other consumer friendly stores like steam.

Edited 2018-02-07 07:14 UTC

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RE[2]: Mission creep is afoot
by zima on Sun 11th Feb 2018 01:17 in reply to "RE: Mission creep is afoot"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

* Install Windows
* Add several non-store-apps that you really need
* Go to Settings, Apps, Apps & features, change "Installing apps" to "Allow apps from the Store only"
* Add store-apps for everying you want
* When you find out that you need another non-store-app, just change the setting back to "Allow apps from anywhere" temporarily"

You haven't said the last time if this blocks auto-updaters integrated with non-store-apps... ;) (most notably, browsers)

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