Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 30th May 2018 15:38 UTC
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Here's the dynamic that explains Musk's Twitter outburst: Tesla is clearly struggling to reach production levels that will justify its valuation. Musk has no facts with which to counter the media reports, and it is illegal for him to lie about these numbers. (Hype is one thing; lying to investors is another.) His Orwellian solution is to convince Tesla fans that what they are reading is not true. The stakes are high. Tesla's $1 billion-per-quarter burn rate makes it very likely that the company will need to raise a couple billion dollars in the fourth quarter of this year.

Musk literally cannot afford for investors to believe a negative storyline. Only his optimistic, visionary narrative will convince potential investors that Tesla is a good bet, rather than a bubble preparing to pop.

Nothing is more dangerous than criticizing Elon Musk, but the cold and harsh facts laid out in this article are very difficult to argue with, other than appealing to some vague sense of Musk wanting to help the planet or whatever, as if that negates Tesla rapidly running out of money and never meeting expectations or failing to keep its promises. We should all want Tesla to succeed, but the recent outbursts from Musk do not bode well for the future of the company.

Twitter randos who could never afford a Tesla might be easily swayed by Musk's Trumpian "boohoo the press hates me" nonsense, but the kinds of billion dollar investors Tesla needs will see right through it.

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leos
Member since:
2005-09-21

The autopilot crashes are important because Tesla has been lying about the autopilot and overselling it, and that with just the crashing reported in the news, the autopilot is already 3 orders of magnitude more unsafe as a driver than an average human.


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Carewolf Member since:
2005-09-08

"The autopilot crashes are important because Tesla has been lying about the autopilot and overselling it, and that with just the crashing reported in the news, the autopilot is already 3 orders of magnitude more unsafe as a driver than an average human.


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Assuming you only need a citation for the last statement, otherwise you are trolling, or blind.

Assume the Autopilot is less advanced than Waymos fully self-driving cars, and widely considered the technological leader. Those cars have according to Waymo an average of 50 miles between needing human intervention as they say, which is to say it has 50 miles between instances where the car would try to cause an accident without a test pilot. The average distance driven between accidents is 50000 miles, which is three orders of magnitude higher.

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leos Member since:
2005-09-21

Assuming you only need a citation for the last statement, otherwise you are trolling, or blind.


You made three claims:
1. Tesla has been lying about the autopilot
2. Tesla has been overselling autopilot
3. Autopilot is 3 orders of magnitude more unsafe than an average human.

The second one is a subjective statement and so cannot be proven one way or the other. The other two require citations to support the claim.

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grat Member since:
2006-02-02

Not necessarily "unsafe", but definitely being "over hyped".

https://www.zdnet.com/article/volvo-engineer-blasts-tesla-autopilot-...

Short version: Tesla is automation level 2+, and 4 is required for an actual "auto pilot".

Side note (the cause for a Tesla ramming the back of a parked firetruck):

Traffic-Aware Cruise Control cannot detect all objects and may not brake/decelerate for stationary vehicles, especially in situations when you are driving over 50 mph (80 km/h) and a vehicle you are following moves out of your driving path and a stationary vehicle or object is in front of you instead.

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