Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 8th Sep 2018 00:03 UTC, submitted by hornett
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Terrence Andrew Davis, sole creator and developer of TempleOS (née LoseThos), has passed away at age 48. Davis suffered from mental illness - schizophrenia - which had a severe impact on his life. He claimed he created his operating system after having spoken with and receiving instructions from god, and he was a controversial figure, also here on OSNews, for his incomprehensible rants and abrasive style towards OSNews readers and staff. We eventually had to ban him, but our then-editor Kroc Kamen worked with him in 2010 to publish an article about his operating system despite his ban.

Davis was clearly a gifted programmer - writing an entire operating system is no small feat - and it was sad to see him affected by his mental illness. I mourn his passing, and I wish his family and friends all the strength they need in these trying times. His family and friends are asking people to donate to "organizations working to ease the pain and suffering caused by mental illness", such as The Brain & Behaviour Research Foundation or the National Alliance on Mental Illness.

I hope he found peace - wherever he may be.

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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Sat 8th Sep 2018 08:52 UTC
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I remember this; Terry had submitted a article like any other and I had raised the question if we were going to do anything with the other editors. Naturally, they had wiped their hands clean of Terry due to major issues with his commenting on previous stories. Nobody is going to deny that Terry could devolve into a massive racist and hostile person.

I'm going to share with you some e-mail exchanges with Terry at the time, including his feedback on the article mentioned; these will be in replies, due to post-length limits.

I still read OSNews every day and it is my default go-to place for tech news. I wish I could participate more but I went off the radar when I got married, and now I have a disabled child with around-the-clock needs.

I have a history of schizophrenia in my family, my father had it and I have seen it consume other relatives. I myself have not been afflicted yet probably in part to my own late diagnosis of ASD a couple of years ago; my son is autistic and that lead to my diagnosis.

I always understood how Terry might feel, underneath the confusion, anger, hostility and the deflection. Perhaps that's why I was willing to look beyond that and discuss TempleOS (then Losethos) purely on technical merits.

In 2008 I was undertaking a complete top-to-bottom redesign of OSNews; admittedly biting off far more than I could chew, given my unstable mental state, but it's work that I'm still deeply proud of and representative of my love for OSNews. I'm hoping that the screenshots I have of the various work-in-progress bits can be published at some point if the OSNews staff would want to do that.

With that, I bid you adieu.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Sat 8th Sep 2018 09:00 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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From: Terry A. Davis
Synopsis: The 64-bit LoseThos Operating System
LoseThos is an open-source, free, x86-64 operating system created from scratch, including a compiler and graphics library. It's aimed at recreational programmers. It attempts to be simpler and more welcoming than Linux for those who like tinkering. Version 6.12 was recently released.

On 15 jul. 2010, at 10:42, Kroc Camen wrote:

Hi Terry, would you consider writing up a short article on the changes and an introduction to LoseThos for people who have not heard of it before. This would be more publishable.

NB: None of this is in any way to discredit the other OSNews editors!

(Thom:) Are you crazy? NEVER publish ANYTHING about LoseThos. The guy is insane and dangerous. This is not a preference, but official OSNews policy.

(Kroc:) Don't disagree that he's a problem, but the fact remains that he has written an OS from scratch, by hand and in a completely unusual manner. That ticks every box for what OSNews should be publishing. Even if the discussion turns into a clusterfudge we can just lock the thread. If he can write something interesting then it should be published.

(Thom:) He spammed us to death, insulted us, and theatened us. This is unaccpetable and should not be rewarded. It's that simple.

Thom is not wrong here, at all.

And he hasn't bothered us in some time. You must forgive your brother not 7 times, but 77 times. If he can't put together a sensible article then it won't go anywhere in the first place and if I do publish anything I will take responsibility and I will be sure to warn him before hand. At the end of the day if it kicks off, we lock the thread, ban him and block him in GMail, simples.

(Thom:) I really don't want to see anything published about LoseThos. This all happened before your time and was scary and very unpleasant. David obviously has the last word, but I don't want it. Period.

Edited 2018-09-08 09:00 UTC

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Sat 8th Sep 2018 09:08 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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Terry's response to the article:


You seem to have a good sense of perceptions on the street. I was impressed
how you handled the LoseThos story. Kinda a lost cause.

I'd ask you for advice, but I'm probably not willing to follow-through.

"Quit being crazy!"

So, you thought about doing some part of a mobile OS? I don't even have
a phone, believe it or not. I don't like those tiny computers -- had
enough in various jobs.

I thought about blowing some money on advertising. I don't have much
but have saved some over the years. Don't buy much. I guess you're obliged to recommend OSNews.

This is cool -- a Google search of "64-bit Operating System" has me at the top of page two. A serach
of "64-bit Free Operating System" has me near the top of page one. I can't believe my luck, honestly.

Couple days ago I made a FaceBook and Twitter page. Practically, no buzz at all on the net. I can't figure that out. I guess people try it and move on and it is not very significant to them. There is no buzz on Google searches of "LoseThos" to speak of.

One bit of wisdom I learned with a edutainment program called "SimStructure" is that
people mostly only use simple features and don't bother to use advanced features. They don't feel like learning. This might be a different crowd.

In case you're curious, I had liek 63 downloads during the first day of the OSNews story and 50 the next. It started to die-off. Then, I did a new release to which gets picked-up by and I had 40 downloads for a few days.

When I have no prominant storys in the news, I get about 6 a day. I get 10-20 at source forge but
I don't trust those download numbers. There are robots and stuff.

I do a new release every two weeks and get listed on beta news and major geeks and get typically 35
downloads then 20. Then it dies. This has gone on for 2 years and absolutely nothing has changed. No buzz.

I've really improved losthos an lot--they quality is way way better of the code. It doesn't appear different though graphically.

You remember "it's the economy, stupid." well "it's the graphics stupid.", huh. I can't change modes, but I guess I could do a lot better job of making it pretty with what I got. I hate art :-)

Kind regards,


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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by _QJ_ on Sat 8th Sep 2018 19:20 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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I must react Kroc. I have worked with ASD.

The "normal" people must learn that, facing what they call a "peculiar person" is, just a person out of our own conventions.

In my company, I had the chance to work in a small team of developers composed of 8 "normal" persons, two diagnosed ASD and a deaf.

It turns out rapidly that the first ASD was very powerful at repetitive tasks and, I gave him the sources configuration management. Build, packaging, delivery note and other Q&A borrowing tasks were always on time. With a high quality process. He never did a mistake.

The second ASD was more problematic : A kind of pissing code robot, providing you 18K lines of SLOC/day without any social interaction. Just gave him a specifications book input, and request that the code must compile before his delivery. Because he preferred to discuss with a gcc output than a human being. Not more, no team meeting, no discussion possible about his code. Nothing else than coding.

The deaf person turns out to be very strong at concentrating in the noisy computers tests rooms. So he was very good at debug and patch, the code of the second ASD... And I learned sign language to communicate with him through windows (Not Windows(R)). A kind of crypto-communication through air, at distance : Priceless.

Nine months... The whole team was awarded by the company for its performances and, its capacity to deliver complex embedded software on time, with high quality and customer satisfaction.

This is the proof if, "normal" people can open their mind, adapt to "peculiar" others", and pass out their own conventions, we can find the real power of "peculiar" people.

And, when you find this power... It's always amazing to ordinary people.

Terry was probably the kind of particular person very difficult to understand for a conventional one.
But you Kroc, got the chance to see the good part of Terry Davis, and understand why it may worth it.

A "peculiar" person to understand another very peculiar person... Again, I got a lesson as an ordinary person.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by zima on Tue 11th Sep 2018 11:42 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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Couple days ago I made a FaceBook and Twitter page. Practically, no buzz at all on the net. I can't figure that out. I guess people try it and move on and it is not very significant to them. There is no buzz on Google searches of "LoseThos" to speak of.

It seems it didn't occur to him that "commanded by god" characteristics of his OS made it rather uninteresting...

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by acobar on Sat 8th Sep 2018 13:38 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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I hope you find good professional advice to take care of your child and help for your own struggles. Our brain is really, really complex and many things affect its capacity to work "properly".

I had on uncle and still have 2 cousins that display mental disabilities at some level. Find a good doctor and if he/she prescribes some medicine, take. Also, have friends and go out with them, fight against self-isolation and/or the impulse to deal with your problems only by yourself.

Best regards.

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by Adam S on Sun 9th Sep 2018 16:54 in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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Happy to see you here again

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Sun 9th Sep 2018 19:18 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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You too, always!

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