Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 12th Sep 2018 00:03 UTC
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A coming revision to Chrome OS will enable Windows-compatible network browsing by default. This means that Chromebooks will be able to connect with Windows PCs just as easily as other Windows PCs do today.

A very welcome change, especially among corporate users.

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I disagree
by project_2501 on Wed 12th Sep 2018 13:39 UTC
project_2501
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2006-03-20

I disagree with this direction.

The whole point of chromebooks and cloud services was the idea that we could have device and network independent secure and simple endpoints, and we could pick and choose cloud-based services to consume through the very open interface known as the web.

This simplicity had huge benefits.

Really simple devices, almost state-less. Easy to manage and own. Easier to secure. Easier to discard or lose.

Data was primarily stored and processed server side - with the appropriate security around that data.

This move breaks that model.

We now have to local LAN resources and a security model that has to loosen to allow that. We have more complex information security architecture - and devices are now holders of data not just passive viewers (even then it was mostly encrypted).

The Microsoft SMB protocol isn't clean and open enough - which makes it both a technical and a security risk. Think about it - if it was so simple and open why do we keep having to play catch up with open source implementations?

I think this is a worrying counter-strategic move by Google.

They should, and have the resources, to stick to their no-network strategy.

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RE: I disagree
by darknexus on Wed 12th Sep 2018 15:02 in reply to "I disagree"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Disagree. Google found out the hard way that not everyone, particularly businesses, want to trust their data to the dubious nature of Google Drive. They held to that stance far too long before allowing you to choose and add other filesystem providers, i.e. other cloud services. Besides, some data is simply too sensitive to put in the hands of others.
This is absolutely necessary, and has been far too long in coming. One can hope they'll add support for shared printers next. I will not ever buy the idea that I must send all my print jobs to Google in order for a Chromebook to have easy printing. Sorry, no. Especially not to a company whose number one way of gaining money is selling me to the highest bidder.

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RE: I disagree
by Alfman on Wed 12th Sep 2018 18:36 in reply to "I disagree"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

project_2501,

The whole point of chromebooks and cloud services was the idea that we could have device and network independent secure and simple endpoints, and we could pick and choose cloud-based services to consume through the very open interface known as the web.

This simplicity had huge benefits.

Really simple devices, almost state-less. Easy to manage and own. Easier to secure. Easier to discard or lose.


I don't understand your opposition at all, all of the reasons that you give are actually one of the motivations to support network file sharing! Self-managed alternatives should be available too for those of us who prefer it!

Among my computers, android is the odd ball since it's the only OS that cannot access or save my files directly. On linux and windows, it doesn't matter if a PC breaks because all my files are on the LAN backed up and ready to access from another machine. The methodology is fast, safe, reliable, and convenient except for android where I have to resort to manually copying files to and fro.

Supporting 3rd party data providers is fine as a choice, but we should not be dependent on them to unlock basic file sharing functionality that has been around for decades. Let's not forget why vendor locking is bad: being locked into a solution where a 3rd party is the gatekeeper to our own files is bad, being coerced to trust 3rd parties with our private data is bad, being limited to accessing files over a relatively slow metered data connection is bad. And to make matters worse...

https://support.google.com/drive/answer/2375082
Linux: Backup and Sync isn't currently available using the Linux operating system. You can use Google Drive on the web at drive.google.com.


https://linuxnewbieguide.org/onedrive-client-linux/
So, the question is firstly, have Microsoft released an official OneDrive client for Linux? Put simply. No.



The Microsoft SMB protocol isn't clean and open enough - which makes it both a technical and a security risk. Think about it - if it was so simple and open why do we keep having to play catch up with open source implementations?


I'm not particular to the SMB protocol, I'd happily use any protocol at all that allows me to access my shared files. The great thing about linux is that you've got choices. I regularly use SSHFS to connect to my files from a remote location. I don't even have to open up additional ports since it goes over the standard port 22 for SSH. It's got the latest crypto, shared keys, public keys, you name it, it's simple and works!


They should, and have the resources, to stick to their no-network strategy.


I won't deny that 3rd party data services may be "good enough" for many people who don't have a computer network, but for those of us who have a working PC network with shared files, the inability to access it from android doesn't simplify anything. It only makes file access extremely frustrating and complex. I often find myself resorting to USB, which is a pathetic substitute for native network file sharing.

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RE[2]: I disagree
by darknexus on Wed 12th Sep 2018 19:05 in reply to "RE: I disagree"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

At this point, Chrome OS and Android are as close to ubiquity as Desktop Linux is ever going to get, so I can hardly blame Google or Microsoft for not putting the resources into developing for a constantly changing and unstable platform when they can concentrate on the platforms that most customers really care about. It's just good business sense.

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RE[2]: I disagree
by BlueofRainbow on Sat 15th Sep 2018 12:59 in reply to "RE: I disagree"
BlueofRainbow Member since:
2009-01-06

If I am not mistaken, iOS also does not support file operations we have come accustomed to do on a desktop.

Concur with the great thing about Linux is that it offer choices.

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