Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 29th Nov 2005 08:45 UTC, submitted by sebFlyte
Linux Following up on their tests to work out which Linux distribution works best for business, ZDNet has taken a look at the wider issue of whether or not Linux is actually ready to replace Windows on the majority of Windows desktops.
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Because it's too limited(Software wise)!
by RawMustard on Tue 29th Nov 2005 09:19 UTC
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Member since:
2005-10-10

Title says it all! Unless all you do is type letters and send and receive emails, what can linux do in most businesses?

It's a no show in the manufacturing sector where I come from, so I bet others from different sectors will say the same thing! So then the problem of interoperability with other systems becomes a problem, how's is linux going to solve those problems?

Where am I going to get CAD/CAM software to run my 5 axis machining centre's, or my wire cut machines, or where am I going to get software to program my Baldor drives, my Seimans PLC's, where can I get Partmaker or Autodesk Inventor, Solidworks for linux?

How am I going to make the tools that make the computers that linux is going to run in all these offices?

Linux needs another 10 years minimum and then you have to convince everyone it's actually going to be better for them, which it is far from doing in its present state!

The world does not run on Doc files and Web-Servers alone you know - just thought I'd remind you guys of that!

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TBPrince Member since:
2005-07-06

100% agree.

Plus, development on such platforms is not only limited by spare presence (a very low market share), but also by an overall environment which is not as advanced (under developers' point of view) as in Windows.

Failing to acknowledge this means hearing "Next year will be our year!" forever...

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I believe that Linux can provide certain functions that make it just as viable as Windows in certain business enviornments.

Albeit, Linux cannot do EVERYTHING windows can for businesses can, but it can certainly do more than Word Documents and Emails. And it is moving ever so fast towards that goal of doing everything.

I think the development enviornment under linux is top notch. The tools available off the bat trump what windows offers and companies are providing great IDE's and other software engineering tools.

It is the end user application development which is being stifled. Part of the reason may be (as you said) that the developers just dont view the Linux enviornment as advanced. That in itself is not linux's fault imo because I think it is a fine enviornment with lots of capabilities. And of course there is always the low market share issue. Developers dont want to make applications that dont want to be used.

Linux will get there imo, but it may take a while. At this point in time, it provides really well for some businesses.

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That may be the case in your manufacturing site, but it is not the case in the one I work in. Everything that is currently done in Windows in this office/plant can be done with Linux. Even including CAD/3D Modelling/Finite Element Analysis with Pro Engineer and Ansys (both of which are available for Linux.


It never ceases to dissapoint me how so many conclude that Linux is not ready for them, therefore it is not ready for anyone.

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gEDA is quite a joke compared to Mentor Graphics.

I'd rather use Multisim than gEDA.

I come from the electronics field and I have the same impression as the guy from the manufacturing field.

It seems that Business Linux would be best suited for Call Centers in India or for secretaries. That's great that it fills those niches, but I can't make a switch yet.

On the Siemens PLC issue, I think you can find some open source tools for that on Windows & Linux, but they probably won't support the latest chips for at least 6 months.

I've used GCC and some open source tools that someone built for the Atmel AtMEGA family and liked em a lot, but there are easier to use solutions available.


It never ceases to amaze me how so many conclude that Linux IS ready for everyone since it has openoffice and firefox.

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Sphinx Member since:
2005-07-09

For sure, almost annoying as that, "I'm not ready for Linux so it's not ready for anybody", conclusion so many people mysteriously come to.

"My vendor...", is no reason not to switch, but a reason to switch vendors.

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Sphinx Member since:
2005-07-09

Amen, most of the employees out there are just browsing anyway, the company will be a lot safer.

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Smartpatrol Member since:
2005-07-06

You have the source the use the FOSS Luke! You are supposed to hire a team of FOSS developers to custom develop all these applications and drivers for your company! That is the nature of the FOSS.

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ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

There is a Unix CAD program.. ProEngineer is it if I remember correctly. I've been told it's quite good, they require it for a couple of ME courses here at ISU (well, the edu version or something like that). It's also available for Windows I think.

Of course, your in-house Windows only software may be a lot of work to get working; and it might involve a major rewrite to get it working; and so it's probably not a good idea to start moving it. But you can't honestly expect anyone to write your in-house stuff for you, that's why it's in-house to start.

CAD is not the only use of Computers. I just thought I'd remind you of that. Neither is manufacturing.

And I believe there was a story on slashdot about Autodesk and FOSS... Ah here it is:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/28/1940207&tid=185&tid=187

Doesn't help you. But maybe you should tell them that you'd be interested in using Autodesk on Linux, if you really would be. Many people just remain quiet about this stuff; and given enough customer requests companies will start to do major stuff like porting their flagship product. But people have to ask.

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Dark_Knight Member since:
2005-07-10

Re: "Where am I going to get CAD/CAM software to run my 5 axis machining centre's, or my wire cut machines, or where am I going to get software to program my Baldor drives, my Seimans PLC's, where can I get Partmaker or Autodesk Inventor, Solidworks for linux?"

While using Google would provide most of the answers for you it would take some time ;) Instead I've created a detailed list of software both ported to Linux and those that work on Wine. See the post "Software for 3D/2D Artists, Designers, etc" here http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=53452

Edited 2005-11-29 17:45

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monkeyhead Member since:
2005-07-11

I hate to admit that you are right about industrial automation... Unless you use a handheld to program your PLC, you're pretty much damned to using windows.

I can't imagine that many of these apps would be that hard to port to linux if the demand was there, but There doesn't seem to be much demand. A couple manufacturer's offer Linux Software developers kits, but these are designed to let linux software access the PLC for data aquisition not to actually program the controller.

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