Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Dec 2005 09:47 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "When looking at desktop Linux by itself, any analysis of the subject quickly leads to this question: why do users choose one version over another? There are as many answers for this question as there are users to give them, but ultimately it should boil down to just a few key decisions which must be made. Considering this, it may be surprising to some people to find out how successful Ubuntu Linux has been relative to other distributions."
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RE: Easy - it's about "hype"
by on Wed 7th Dec 2005 17:32 UTC in reply to "Easy - it's about "hype""

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What hype? What marketing? Have you ever seen an Ubuntu ad when you go to Linux sites? Have you seen promotions for Ubuntu being run by Connonical? No. It's all from word of mouth. From users that are happy with it and tell other people, write favorable reviews and make websites about it.

ubuntuforums.org and ubuntuguide.org were both started by ordinary users, not the Ubuntu people.

Even the free cds would not be a success if it weren't for word of mouth.

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OMRebel Member since:
2005-11-14

"What hype?" The hype is referring to all of the "fanboys" that are going nuts over it, via "word of mouth". Not to mention article after article being written about Ubuntu/KUbuntu.

"What marketing?" Do you not consider giving away free CD's marketing? That is marketing, and it really is good marketing. I've got a couple and given a few away to people.

However, I stand by my statement that there is not anything special about the distro. Personally, it wouldn't install on two of my machines (1 desktop and 1 laptop). The Live CD ran fine, but the install died on both for some reason. Ubuntu and Linspire are the only two that refused to install on my laptop, whereas, Ubuntu is the only one that would not install on my desktop. I've tried Mandriva, Fedora Core, Suse, Knoppix (would have figured Ubuntu would have installed fine because both are Debian based, are they not?), Linspire, and Slackware, and all installed fine on my desktop. Suse is my distro of choice, simply because it is the most polished, and has the best hardware detection (in my experience).

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RE[3]: Easy - it's about "hype"
by on Wed 7th Dec 2005 19:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Easy - it's about "hype""
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"The hype is referring to all of the "fanboys" that are going nuts over it, via "word of mouth". Not to mention article after article being written about Ubuntu/KUbuntu. "

Fine. There's some hype. But there's a big difference between hype generated by a company for it's product and hype generated by satisfied users of the product. The second is much more genuine and holds more weight. If you tell a friend why they should buy a certain car or stereo is that hype or you just giving advice?

"Do you not consider giving away free CD's marketing? That is marketing, and it really is good marketing. I've got a couple and given a few away to people.
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But you asked for the cds. They didn't just come to your door unsolicited. And it wasn't an ad on a website or magazine that made you want to ask for them. The idea came from someone else who had tried Ubuntu and liked it. Without satisfied users those free cds would be piled up in some warehouse.

The amount of hype and marketing that goes into Ubuntu is miniscule compared to any commercial distro.

About your lack of success on installing Ubuntu: no distro works on all hardware. I've had distros fail on me, including Debian, through no fault of my own. But I don't go around saying every distro that did succesfully install is therefore better. Given the praise that Ubuntu has gotten on hardware detection and testimonials about successful installs on hardware that had trouble with all other distros I come to the conclusion that yours is a rare case. Like another poster here I was amazed that Ubuntu installed on my old-world mac flawlessly and detected and configured parts of it that even Yellowdog (which is focused on ppc) didn't.

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RE[3]: Easy - it's about "hype"
by on Wed 7th Dec 2005 20:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Easy - it's about "hype""
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I use both Ubuntu and Suse. And actually Debian on my servers, used to have Slackware. Suse is very good with hardware, laptops etc. But it too has it's problems.

Suse must be the slowest Linux distro ever. It takes forever to do anything, be it startup or YAST. KDE springs so many subprocesses I have to play games with ICEWM to get enough memory on my 512mb machine. Also Suse feels too much restricted to the offical repositories and its future feels uncertain with Novell screwing around.

The big thing with Ubuntu is that it is good at pretty much everything. Speed, usablility, hardware, thousands of (Debian) packages with only the right ones pre-installed. And the Gnome desktop is clean, no horrible menu clutter like Debians infamous "Debian menu". And that the wiki documentation contains mostly desktop-oriented stuff helps spread Ubuntu to the Windows world. The only problem I've had with Ubuntu is that it's not as easy to compile stuff on it than for example Slackware.

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RE[2]: Easy - it's about "hype"
by on Thu 8th Dec 2005 12:23 in reply to "RE: Easy - it's about "hype""
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"What hype? What marketing? Have you ever seen an Ubuntu ad when you go to Linux sites? Have you seen promotions for Ubuntu being run by Connonical? No. It's all from word of mouth. From users that are happy with it and tell other people, write favorable reviews and make websites about it. "

Canonical actually bought up quite a few distributions silently and generated hype by having a marketing team write reviews which appeared grass root.

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unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

"Canonical actually bought up quite a few distributions silently and generated hype by having a marketing team write reviews which appeared grass root."

I have always suspected, that this was the case. Acting like grass roots is a new trend in marketing. It reminds me of the Sony Ericsson cellphone campaign where they had actors playing satisfied Sony Ericsson camera phone customers, asking people to take photos of them and their girl/boyfriend at tourist photo spots.

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RE[3]: Easy - it's about "hype"
by on Thu 8th Dec 2005 16:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Easy - it's about "hype""
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You got any proof of that?

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RE[3]: Easy - it's about "hype"
by on Fri 9th Dec 2005 12:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Easy - it's about "hype""
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"Canonical actually bought up quite a few distributions silently and generated hype by having a marketing team write reviews which appeared grass root."

So tell me, what distributions did it buy?
I only remember Mark Shuttleworth investing in the South African ImpiLinux
and that was not silently, it was posted on the frontpage of ubuntu.com...

If you don't reply to this, it only proofs you wrong...

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