Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 12th Dec 2005 15:38 UTC
Windows Microsoft is banking on enhancements to what it has dubbed the fundamentals to entice enterprises to upgrade to the next version of Windows, known as Vista. The company will use upcoming industry shows to sing the praises of improvements to the Windows networking stack and secure networking techniques such as server and domain isolation to sell both Vista and Longhorn, the planned update to Windows Server.
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RE[6]: hahaha hehe
by dylansmrjones on Mon 12th Dec 2005 18:51 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: hahaha hehe"
dylansmrjones
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2005-10-02

The first one: Depends on how well the system is protected. A standard XP is easy to get control over. But you really should update such a system ;)

The second one: I've never tried a Linux distro without firewall enabled. The only embarassing linux distros are the Linspire like systems.

Again: Come forth with links to information about these embarrasing situations, and the names of all the many (non-existent) linux distributions shipped with all kind of services turned on and no firewall.

Come on. 6 years ago firewall was standard in all major linux distributions and many smaller ones as well.

I've never hard of a linux system without a firewall. It would be insane (besides that a firewall isn't really needed on linux in the same way as on Windows - unless you are running web services of course).

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RE[7]: hahaha hehe
by on Mon 12th Dec 2005 18:58 in reply to "RE[6]: hahaha hehe"
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"I've never hard of a linux system without a firewall. It would be insane (besides that a firewall isn't really needed on linux in the same way as on Windows - unless you are running web services of course)."

They had firewall capability, sure. But out of the box, they were not turned on.

And 6 years ago, firewalls were *MUCH MORE* necessary on Linux than on Windows. Because out of the box, the typical Linux system 6 years ago had telnetd, sshd, sendmail, ftpd, rpc services, and any number of other exploitable services enabled by default.

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RE[8]: hahaha hehe
by dylansmrjones on Mon 12th Dec 2005 19:03 in reply to "RE[7]: hahaha hehe"
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2005-10-02

Hmm... what distros were these?

Links please... evidence... where is it? Aaahh.. no where.

You're so spreading lies. Oh I see ;)

I used linux 6 years ago, and firewall was on as default (2 years before this became standard on Windows) - Windows back then didn't even ship with a firewall - yet had all kinds of services running.

Linux in 1999 could have all these services running without being specially exploitable. Simply because the structure of linux is superior to Windows. But still, I'd like to know which distro's shipped with all kind of services turned on and no firewall turned on.

Windows is seriously hampered by it's own construction and will never be even remotely safe until all legacy constructions have been removed. It'll take another decade (at least).

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RE[7]: hahaha hehe
by defile on Tue 13th Dec 2005 02:56 in reply to "RE[6]: hahaha hehe"
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2005-07-09

Have you tried Ubuntu?

Granted, by default it installs with all ports closed from remote access. However, that still isn't the same as having a firewall enabled during init.

Edited 2005-12-13 02:57

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RE[8]: hahaha hehe
by dylansmrjones on Tue 13th Dec 2005 03:01 in reply to "RE[7]: hahaha hehe"
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2005-10-02

No, but it's more efficient actually.

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