Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 12th Dec 2005 15:38 UTC
Windows Microsoft is banking on enhancements to what it has dubbed the fundamentals to entice enterprises to upgrade to the next version of Windows, known as Vista. The company will use upcoming industry shows to sing the praises of improvements to the Windows networking stack and secure networking techniques such as server and domain isolation to sell both Vista and Longhorn, the planned update to Windows Server.
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RE[7]: hahaha hehe
by on Mon 12th Dec 2005 18:58 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: hahaha hehe"

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"I've never hard of a linux system without a firewall. It would be insane (besides that a firewall isn't really needed on linux in the same way as on Windows - unless you are running web services of course)."

They had firewall capability, sure. But out of the box, they were not turned on.

And 6 years ago, firewalls were *MUCH MORE* necessary on Linux than on Windows. Because out of the box, the typical Linux system 6 years ago had telnetd, sshd, sendmail, ftpd, rpc services, and any number of other exploitable services enabled by default.

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RE[8]: hahaha hehe
by dylansmrjones on Mon 12th Dec 2005 19:03 in reply to "RE[7]: hahaha hehe"
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2005-10-02

Hmm... what distros were these?

Links please... evidence... where is it? Aaahh.. no where.

You're so spreading lies. Oh I see ;)

I used linux 6 years ago, and firewall was on as default (2 years before this became standard on Windows) - Windows back then didn't even ship with a firewall - yet had all kinds of services running.

Linux in 1999 could have all these services running without being specially exploitable. Simply because the structure of linux is superior to Windows. But still, I'd like to know which distro's shipped with all kind of services turned on and no firewall turned on.

Windows is seriously hampered by it's own construction and will never be even remotely safe until all legacy constructions have been removed. It'll take another decade (at least).

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RE[9]: hahaha hehe
by on Mon 12th Dec 2005 19:09 in reply to "RE[8]: hahaha hehe"
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I'm not lying at all.

You want an example? Take Red Hat 7. It had virtually everything enabled out of the box. And no firewall running by default. There was a fair amount of truth to the rumors that the average Red Hat 7 install would be rooted within 30 minutes of being connected to the net.

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RE[9]: hahaha hehe
by on Mon 12th Dec 2005 19:16 in reply to "RE[8]: hahaha hehe"
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> Linux in 1999 could have all these services
> running without being specially exploitable.
> Simply because the structure of linux is superior
> to Windows.

And by the way, can you back up that statement? That is is superior to Windows? I bet you can't. But I can provide specific areas where it is inferior. Example: The Unix authentication model is seriously flawed. It is insanely easy to replace the Unix login prompt with a trojan that will intercept passwords and do something malicious with them. That is a lot harder to do in Windows because of how it specifically kills any other attempts at spoofing a login screen when you issue the Ctrl-Alt-Delete combo to bring up the login prompt.

> Linux in 1999 could have all these services
> running without being specially exploitable.

In 1999, there were still serious security vulnerabilities in sendmail and ftpd. And rpc in Linux is dangerously insecure to this day.

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