Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 15th Dec 2005 19:29 UTC
General Unix A new study on the major players in the Unix server market has declared IBM the clear customer favorite and brought to light some serious issues with Sun Microsystems' product line. Most alarmingly for Sun, the company appears to have lost its cachet as the dominant Unix player and done so while alienating customers. Sun finished last in almost every one of the Gabriel Consulting Group survey's categories, spanning technology performance, customer satisfaction and software tools.
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RE[10]: dont count sun out yet
by Simba on Thu 15th Dec 2005 23:39 UTC in reply to "RE[9]: dont count sun out yet"
Simba
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2005-10-08

"I got news for ya. Linux ain't opensolaris. I don't have to play your silly games, Simba. With Linux I can get to work right away and get my job done before you have time to type up your next post."

I didn't say it was OpenSolaris. What I said is that you are critisizing Sun, when what you really should be critisizing is that fact that no one has yet created a distribution of open Solaris build from that source code. Although there are at least four projects in the works.

Critisizing Sun for this is the same as critisizing Linus Torvalds for not giving you a working operating system, instead of just the source code for a kernel.

"Technology must be driven by the religion of science, not capitalism. And that, my friend, is precisely what the GPL is all about and why Sun doesn't like it."

I hate to be the one to break your little bubble of socialist utopia. But I AM a scientist. And in the real world, science and capitalism go hand and hand. Who is going to fund scientific research? the government? They only have so much money to go around... Maybe private doners? Yeah right... You might get $20 here, $20 there, but not nearly enough to fund research... How about corporations? Ah yes... That's where the big money for scientific research comes from... Ah wait... But there is a catch... Corporations aren't going to just fund research out of the goodness of their hearts. They want a kickback... And usually that kickback comes in the form of exclusive distribution rights, or some other form of rights that ensures they will get a financial return on their investment in funding your research.

Yes, it may suck. But that's how it works in the real world. Science and capitalism are inseperable.

Edited 2005-12-15 23:47

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RE[11]: dont count sun out yet
by on Fri 16th Dec 2005 01:13 in reply to "RE[10]: dont count sun out yet"
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I thought you said Sun was competing with RedHat, not Linux..

Sun has a LONG way to go to compete with Linux. They haven't even caught up with RedHat yet.

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RE[12]: dont count sun out yet
by Simba on Fri 16th Dec 2005 01:22 in reply to "RE[11]: dont count sun out yet"
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2005-10-08

"Sun has a LONG way to go to compete with Linux. They haven't even caught up with RedHat yet."

hahaha... Yeah right. In your dreams maybe. Sun's market capitalization is over 3 times higher than Red Hats. And Sun's stock value is up over 20% over the last 30 days.

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RE[11]: dont count sun out yet
by kaiwai on Fri 16th Dec 2005 02:43 in reply to "RE[10]: dont count sun out yet"
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I think the one thing you also need to point out with government funding is this; it is subjected to the stupidity of the average voter - the nuts who disagree with cloning, stem cell research etc. all because their sky pixie might 'rain the earth with hell fire or brimstone' or claim that abortion plus gay marriage will result in the apocalypse.

As soon as something unpopular occurs, your funding is removed - atleast with business, the motive is either: the person wishes to make a contribution for the betterment of humanity - aka Bill Gates OR they demand a profit off the particular research, for example, the eventual result of years of research at SUN which resulted in Niagara.

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RE[12]: dont count sun out yet
by Simba on Fri 16th Dec 2005 03:08 in reply to "RE[11]: dont count sun out yet"
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2005-10-08

"I think the one thing you also need to point out with government funding is this; it is subjected to the stupidity of the average voter - the nuts who disagree with cloning, stem cell research etc."

Unfortunately, it is a lot more complicated than that. Remember that one person's passion is the next person's pork barrel project. Who decides what should get funding? And how? There obviously isn't enough money to fund everything.

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