Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Jul 2005 11:30 UTC, submitted by Jan Stafford
GNU, GPL, Open Source CIOs can gain competitive advantages by taking part in the open source revolution, a movement that will shake up the power structure of the IT world, said Julie Hanna Farris, the founder of Scalix. Farris explains why open source is not a fad and how it will benefit the business world.
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RE: RE[3]: I'm amazed as usual
by TBPrince on Fri 22nd Jul 2005 00:21 UTC in reply to " RE[2]: I'm amazed as usual"
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"Most of the closed-source and propriatory contracting companies I've worked for have went out of business or have stumbled from the glory days they used to have over the years. Come to think of it, most businesses -- software or not -- go out of business over a 10 year period. Singling out OSS sellers on this is a little harsh."

Of course, companies usually born and die. But if you look at Linux vendors (for example, since it's probably most exploited OSS product), how many of them exists and how many of them are actually making money?

At the same time, how many companies like IBM are exploiting Linux-coders work to make REAL money?

My complain is this is not as easy as 1-2-3 and about 10 years of OSS development didn't prove this is a successfull business model. 10 years are a medium period of time... enough to understand if things work or ot.

(Plus, I highly doubt about the whole point regarding innovation which needs to be proved as well.)

I really complain about people making things so easy when, infacts, they're not because many developers could be faked into thinking that this model works while this is far from being proven true.

I'm not discussing about OSS social value, which is fact. But the fact that OSS model has social merit doesn't mean it gives business values.

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RE[2]: RE[4]: I'm amazed as usual
by on Fri 22nd Jul 2005 02:33 in reply to "RE: RE[3]: I'm amazed as usual"
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Of course, companies usually born and die. But if you look at Linux vendors (for example, since it's probably most exploited OSS product), how many of them exists and how many of them are actually making money?

I haven't done a survey myself or seen one that was more than cherry picking. Have you? If so, gimmie the facts man...

At the same time, how many companies like IBM are exploiting Linux-coders work to make REAL money?

IBM is one player and they give as well as they take. If you know otherwise and have facts...

(Plus, I highly doubt about the whole point regarding innovation which needs to be proved as well.)

What point about innovation?

I really complain about people making things so easy when, infacts, they're not because many developers could be faked into thinking that this model works while this is far from being proven true.

It never works? Ever? Surely you don't assert that to be the case.

I'm not discussing about OSS social value, which is fact. But the fact that OSS model has social merit doesn't mean it gives business values.

Selfishness is the prime motivator. Are you saying that there are only social paybacks to open source usage and development in business?

If you are asserting all of this, it's an extreme position and I'd like some facts to back it up.

If not, please clarify since it doesn't seem to fit what I'm seeing.

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TBPrince Member since:
2005-07-06

I haven't done a survey myself or seen one that was more than cherry picking. Have you? If so, gimmie the facts man...
Well, we have usual names...we have Red Hat (which someone told to have tiny revenues mostly coming from interests... didn't verify that), we have Mandriva/Mandrake, Linspire... and others are just begging for money, usually (not that I'm proud of it... just noticing).

IBM is one player and they give as well as they take. If you know otherwise and have facts...
Actually, big corps are those which get revenues from the work of hundreds underpaied (if not unpaied) developers.

What point about innovation?
The fact that OSS usually is innovative just because it is open-source and the fact that if you start an OS project, that project will become innovative because many people will jump in and innovate.

It never works? Ever? Surely you don't assert that to be the case
Not never, maybe almost never? Maybe rarely? However, surely it doesn't work "almost always"...

Selfishness is the prime motivator. Are you saying that there are only social paybacks to open source usage and development in business? If you are asserting all of this, it's an extreme position and I'd like some facts to back it up.

You got it right. Given the social merit of OSS model (which is what I'm interested in), I'm highly doubt that it could work in a business context, meaning that you hope to make money to buy food.

As I said, I'm not against OSS per se. I'm very happy about its social merit and there could be interesting things about it. However, I wouldn't recommend a starting-up company to plan to be an OSS company until a lot of things get considered (including the fact that most of them, even when their product is successfull, won't see almost any benefit).

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